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My Incubus Experience

 

Let me state first before anything else that this story is not to get attention. I see stories of incubus encounters in many places, and I see many people think of them very negatively. I am here to share my own story that isn't negative, but rather very positive.

It started a little less than a year ago. I was just ending my summer vacation, readying myself for both school and taking care of many personal hang-ups at the time that revolved around my relationships with others (not romantic.)

Once in awhile, I would feel a cold chill run through me, or a gentle hand on my shoulder or back. This was normal. I had known I have some kind of spirit coming in every once in a while to "visit" me. This had been going on for about five years, so we were very well acquainted and I had a great deal of trust in them. I had learned to discern when it was "them", or another passing entity or energy. At one point I came up with all kinds of nick names for them (Dudemeister, Cuddle-bot, Pillow, and Bob among the more humorous ones), and they always seemed to know I was in fact talking to them and not a brick wall. They had even shown a definite existence by several times affecting electrical appliances and even disabling my internet.

(One such experience [and many more similar ones] was when I got the sense they wanted me to talk, but I ignored them and got on the computer. I felt them become slightly ticked, and suddenly, the internet connection was cut completely. I got the hint, payed some more attention to them and as soon as I felt them as being satisfied, the net came straight back up.)

Coming back to the beginning of the school year (I'm going with the nickname Bob here), Bob had been becoming more touchy then usual. By this time we could clearly communicate with him sending me "feelings", and I would take note of them. (just for the sake of not confusing readers, I will say from here he "told me" in place of "He sent these feelings to me", simply because they mean the same thing in this context.)

One day after school mid-September, I was very tired. I came home and my eyes were shutting on their own and not staying open. Bob told me to go to bed, out of what seemed like genuine concern. I did so, and eased myself into a position of comfort when I felt someone's weight beside me, and arms around me. I knew it was Bob, so I was not alarmed. I looked to where I thought his face would be and laughed slightly, asking him if he wanted to cuddle now. The response was definite, as I felt a sense of drugginess, the sensation of arms tightened (but didn't become uncomfortable. In fact, it felt great.) settled down and quickly fell asleep. When I woke up, he was still there. As I got ready to get up, I simply "pushed him off" and go on with my duties. This continued for a few months. He'd come sleep with me at night, comforting me, maybe pat my head or rub me. No sexual things.

However, this past February - March (sorry, very bad memory here), things became different. He told me he wanted sex, and I consented. And since then we've been in a definite relationship. Since then I have received visuals of him (I would rather not discuss it online, because he does not want me to.)

He comes with me and we'll go see a movie, or go out ice cream. (Only I can eat it, but he still likes it.) Dating things. Yes, we have our ups and downs, disagreements and once in awhile we'll separate for a week or so if things get too tense. In many ways, we're like a normal couple.

I've known this person, spirit, Incubus-- whatever you'd call him, for a long time. Again, he's never harmed me in any way. I've come to love him, and he I. I would never think of cheating on him, or otherwise hurting his emotions, and he does the same for me.

I do know some Incubus encounters ARE highly negative, but I came here and told my story to let people know that they can also be positive, uplifting experiences with much actual love and other sentiment attached to them. Is it so hard to accept that these occurrences can be described as other than terrifying, horrific and/or evil?

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Succubusluver69 (40 posts)
-1
5 years ago (2012-10-20)
Hi Chels8888,

Thank you for sharing about your encounters
especially with Bob, now that he's an intimate
part of your life.

As long as the two of you have mutual respect for
each other and are showing each other love and
reinforcing that love through your relationship
I'd say it's a win-win and to enjoy and celebrate
it for as long as it lasts.

Others here will have nothing but negative comments
and condemnation for such relationships but since
they aren't in any way in charge of your life they
can definitely 'go piss up a rope' for all they're
worth. They're welcome to lead their own lives as
they see fit; they're not entitled to denigrate or
judge your relationship with Bob, period, end of
sentance.

I can completely understand Bob's reluctance for you
to share details about him visually or otherwise;
that is firmly rooted in the concept of personal
privacy (his and yours) and it's something to
respect.

I will close by saying that I understand what you
and Bob have because I've experienced such for 30+
years myself and have no regrets about my experiences
whatsoever.

Blessings to both of you!
Succubusluver69
Crestal126 (74 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-10-12)
Well when things get to out of hand be ready. BE READY! BE READY!
CosmicFlare (guest)
-1
5 years ago (2012-10-09)
I tried my utmost to believe this. From what I've read online incubis are demonic spirits that no living mortal should get involved with. Sure they may appear sweet and harmless but only because you're not resisting. Rather you're giving it consent constant consent to the point where it's not ever going to leave.
I'm not judging you but you should be careful how you go about life with your soul cupcakes._. Spending it with an unseen force rather than spending time becoming close to God (whom give you spiritual life by the way not the incubi) is not wise...
However, being the positive side, it was perhaps lonely. At times I think that not all of them are mischievous soul eaters, then again its just me...loco? Maybe;)
Jitow (353 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-25)
I pull out the fiction meter on this one. You cannot know anything about this spirit that it does not want you to know. It is not a once human spirit so it is a spirit of lies and deception, if it is even the truth. You said it has never hurt you before, you are so deceived there is no way for you to know what is really going on. For one thing it is in human and if you could see it in its own form you would be sickened.
DannX68 (guest)
+3
5 years ago (2012-09-15)
[at] Javelina
First, back then I knew how to distinct between fiction and reality. I knew that it was just a movie, but I also had the sense to look into stuff being presented in movies. That it one of the reasons I don't jump on the spirits/ghosts/wiccans etc. Are evil bandwagon.

1) I didn't believe it was real, but I looked into the myths that different movies and books presented to me. I have always been thirsty for knowledge and was never just satisfied with people saying that things are this and that way.
2) I was never overly interested in, or obsessed with, incubi. But the paranormal I was always interested in, even long before this movie.
3) I can't remember if my parents ever saw the movie, I went to see it with a schoolmate.
4) I was allowed to see any movie I wanted to see, my family were never strict about that. Not starting a cultural debate, but remember, I'm from Europe - Denmark, to be precise - and we're less uptight about stuff seen in movies than most Americans are. Plus, our ratings system differs greatly from the American. I double-checked Deadly Blessing on IMDb, and though it was made in 1981, it didn't come to Denmark until June 1982, so I was 14 when I saw it, my mistake. At that time a movie like this would be for people 16 and up, but it was not uncommon here, that younger ones went to see them, I also saw The Exorcist at that age and The Amityville Horror when I was 11 - without any grown-ups and yes, they knew that I went to see them. But I also believe, that parents know far better what their children can handle, that some board of people who've never met those children. Just another example: Brokeback Mountain and I Love You Phillip Morris were R-rated in the states, here you had to be 11 to see them. Now we don't have any rating higher than 15.
5) I don't know, it was the only movie I saw, though there might have been others, but then they wouldn't have been in a Danish cinema, because I never saw them and this was before we even had a VCR at home.
6) Not really, most of my friends liked horror movies too, but there weren't any specific topic we discussed. Just like most of us liked sci-fi and watched The Little House on the Prairie.

And no, seeing those movies at such a young age hasn't messed me up. I'm far from violent, I'm very empathic, not scared of the dark, rarely have nightmares, etc.

Hope you got your answers, otherwise, feel free to ask some more:)
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
-1
5 years ago (2012-09-13)
Thank you Gargoyle. I know there are more out there just like you. Although, I do worry about those who do have a problem distinguishing reality from fiction, and vice versa. In fact, thinking about them frightens more than these stories.

Jav
Gargoyle (51 posts)
+4
5 years ago (2012-09-13)
Hi Jav
I knew about Incubus etc when I was in my mid teans, around 1980 probably due to the heavy metal music I was and still am listening to but I wasn't really interested in the subject then as I didn't really believe they existed outside of fiction and I really haven't changed my mind since then. If they do exist I would (after crapping myself) not encourage them in any way and would remove them from my life like I would any other negative entity and that includes living ones!
😊 😉

Gargoyle
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
-1
5 years ago (2012-09-13)
[at] DannX68,
Okay, fair enough. However, a couple of things still bother me.
And this is not meant as a reflection on your or your parents. I simply would like to make the distinction between reality and perceived reality, as it concerns what comes out of Hollywood and is presented as fiction, meant to be taken as fiction, and in the spirit of fiction.

1) Just what made you believe any of that it was real, if you believed it at all, besides being a teenager?
2) Did you become overly interested, or obsessed in the phenomenon as a result of seeing this movie?
3) Did your parents watch it as well? And if so, was it before, after, or at the same time you saw it?
4) Were you often allowed to watch movies you were too young to watch, according to the rating system used for moviegoers?
5) Was this the only movie at the time, that referred to the incubus/succubus phenomenon?
6) Did it become a topic of interest with others your age as well?

Jav
DannX68 (guest)
+2
5 years ago (2012-09-12)
[at] Javelina, for the post 4 days ago:

You wonder how teens know about incubus and such, but I knew about this stuff as a teen, mainly because it was mentioned in Wes Craven's Deadly Blessing, which came out in 1981 when I was 13 and it was one of my favourite horror movies back then. So it is possible 😊 Not trying to start an argument, just explaining 😉
geetha50 (15 stories) (986 posts)
+3
5 years ago (2012-09-12)
Okay, hold on a minute, I have to wait until my head stops spinning.

Okay, now... Where shall I start...

I have never seen soooooo many comments on one story like this and certainly not in a short period of time. But then again, it's one of those stories that get the best of us fighting like cats and dogs!

I know that the o/p is going to response to this and maybe not even read it but here is my two cents...

To Chels8888,

I'm sorry but I have to agree with the posters who told you that what you are experiencing is wrong. In the being of your story, you mentioned that you were getting ready for school and dealing with problems with the living beings. Can this have been brought on by that?

You mentioned somewhere in your story that you don't mind the relationship and you like it and that you will remain faithful to this being and that he won't hurt you (not word for word but I think you get my drift). Here's my questions to you. When you decide to have an actual relationship with a LIVING being, how are going to handle the so called breakup? What are going to say to your boyfriend from the other side? Do you think that he is going to simply say, "oh okay, dear, you can go ahead and date and make love to a living person while I disappear or stand in this corner and watch."? I will tell you what is going to happen, this SEX DEMON is going to start hurting you and anybody else that you have come to care about and it won't stop until three things happen: (1) you fight back with whatever faith you believe (and I mean really fight back), (2) You surrender to this demon, or (3) Death. Also, don't think he will leave you along after death, this thing will probably come after your spirit also.

I'm going to repeat what so many posters here have already mention. It's about the comment about how your boyfriend from the other side doesn't want you to describe him or talk about him. Why is that? Why is the world would you not want to tell the world about the love of your life (if he's all that)? The beings of the spiritual world who say that are either sex demons or really creepy people who did really nasty stuff while they were alive. For the people who are living, we call them sexual predators and sociopaths. I don't know about you, I tend to stay away from those kinds of filthy things, dead or alive.

In your only poster on this site. You mentioned that nobody here knows about you and that we shouldn't judge you. 😆 Darling, if you are going to post something like what you did, what the hell do expect people to do, kiss you for your stupidity? Look, everyone has a reason for doing something or another and weather it's stupid or not BUT if you are going to publish something what you wrote, expect some backlash. And if you truly believe in what you believe, then I think you should have manned up and came back with a rebuttal or response for every question posted her by all of these posters. If you TRULY believe in something, I don't think you should let people like us stand in the way and if you TRULY believe that this sex demon is your true calling, I think you should stand up and back up your statements and try your level best to MAKE us understand. If you were truly in love with this and if this thing truly cared for you, then you shouldn't have a problem standing up to us. BUT what did YOU do? You took the cowards way out and decided not to participate! That in itself, just shows that in the back of your mind and heart, you truly don't believe in what you say. Before you and tell me again that I don't know you, let me tell you something. This is a public forum; people from every place on this plant come here to meet, discuss, talk and hell, even fight about the paranormal. When we post stories here, there is always going to be a change that your story is not going to be believed and if you truly believe your story is true then you have to stand up fight for it. I would also like to say, that even though this is a public form, many people have become friends (even with our different opinions). I'm staying this because when we initial came to this site, nobody knew anything about each other but as we got to know more about each other, we actually began to understand where we are coming from (even if we don't agree). There are poster on this site, like Sergeant, when you read their comments, you are like WTF but at least I have to give them credit for sticking up for what they believe in (even if about 95% of us don't agree!)

What I believe:

The world of the paranormal is not black or white, there are a lot of grey. Although, there are some on this site who claim that they know everything, nobody knows everything about everything, especially about the paranormal. So, my suggest to you: PLEASE be careful! From what you wrote in your story and your one post, I see that you are head strong in what you believe but please investigate everything and thing twice about what you get into, especially with someone who you can't physically see and only can feel and I would think twice about a person (living or dead) telling you that you shouldn't tell anyone about the relationship or how he looks. As a social worker, I have been taught and I have seen this as the classic case of the beginnings of abuse (physical, mental, and emotional). If nothing is done in the beginning stages of this or any problem, it will only get serious and nothing could be done in the end and many time the turnout is so much worse. As a social worker, it makes me sick to my stomach to see living people do so much harm to other living beings, I just don't know how much a non living thing that you can't see is going to do to you.

My advise: PLEASE be careful and PLEASE talk to your parents or get some professional help. I'm NOT saying you are mental or anything like that but from what I see in your story, this is a classic sign of someone who is getting hurt by someone of this world and to cope you have started a relationship with someone you can't see and most likely to hurt you. PLEASE take care!
FeFiFoLexi (1 stories) (5 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-12)
All I can say is be careful. You may be open to the presence of Bob and others but this might make you susceptible to negative entities. Watch yourself.
rookdygin (24 stories) (4320 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-11)
aussiedaz,

We have 'date rape' laws here in the States that 'cover' situations like you have mentioned. I made a comment in the Bin concerning this... That may be a better place to discuss it. This just sounds like any 'unwanted advance' can be called 'rape' if the woman has been drinking.

Respectfully,

Rook
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-11)
It is a bit extreme Rook, there has been some conjecture of views opposing it, a lot more than supporting it I can tell you that... It's intention is to protect the minority of cases where women who are extremely intoxicated... Out on the town and find themselves taken advantage of even if they consent to a point... It's when they pass out and what happens after that is why the law was introduced and yes I can understand it from that perspective... But it is a can of worms in regards to everything else in between?
rookdygin (24 stories) (4320 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-11)
aussiedaz,

What's next... Prohibition? No Alcohol allowed? Dance clubs will be Water only?

This law is a Bit extreme don't you think mate?

Respectfully,

Rook
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
+2
5 years ago (2012-09-11)
Well said Lou, the game is up and there are a few of us older's heads keeping an eye out for the white van circling the block 😉 and moonaigma, good for you mate for speaking up, it's what worries me the most about the promotion of these sexual predators and these accounts where young women are seduced into believing there OK, it is a very confusing message sent out there for others to read, not only for other young women but children as young as 12 are reading this rubbish about how miss understood these beings are and how they mean you no harm... In Australia they introduced a rape law recently that a man should not make sexual advances at women who are intoxicated with alcohol even if they consent to it, it may later be considered an act of rape for taking a unfair advantage... These things that creep into the bedrooms have a huge advantage over there victims and are not accountable to our laws and get away with it... They are sexual predators, even if there victims think and feel otherwise and others try to sugar coat it as something else.
Sergeant (3 stories) (98 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-11)
Hi Jesus_soldier.

Except for the thorn comment, we are in 1000% agreement. Thank you for that. 😁
rookdygin (24 stories) (4320 posts)
+4
5 years ago (2012-09-10)
Sergeant,

Thank you for your answers. I think now is the time, at least for me, to step away from this discussion as you are very firm in your beliefs as I am with mine and no amount of 'back and forth' is going to change either of our minds. At this point our conversation would become bickering and this site does not need any more of that.

I'm glad we had the discussion we did and I wish and pray for the best for you and yours.

Respectfully,

Rook
Jesus_soldier (3 stories) (416 posts)
+3
5 years ago (2012-09-10)
Sergeant: Hey, I see that you tried fighting this spirit for 5 years, and how the power of Jesus Christ couldn't remove her, but the more I read that, the more I get smacked in the face with this Bible scripture.

2 Corinthians Chapter 12 Verses 6-10: 6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.

7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

I had to mention this, because it's an misconception for people to think the Christian life is 'free from problems'. That's not true at all. Satan will persecute people like never before when they give their life to Jesus, so maybe this spirit is your 'thorn'?

JS aka Brandon

P.S. Chels8888: I hope you don't mind us using your page for these discussion's. If you do mind, then I apologize.
Sergeant (3 stories) (98 posts)
+1
5 years ago (2012-09-10)
Hi rookdygin.

You asked:
"When your 'spiritual lover' began to visit you and you attempted to 'fight her off',

Up to an including the use of Church Clergy were you with your wife?"
-and
"If that is indeed the truth then what made you want to 'stop' the contact?"

I will try to say this in a tactful way. I was in my early 20's, single, male and With very active biological needs. I wasn't ready for marriage or family, I enjoyed The things within the single life. Being Christian I did not desire a partner so things went by myself. The time spent in releif (or session) was incredibly vivid, strong, detailed, enjoyable and with a sort of two way private, intimate conversation. It made me wonder if the experience was actually with a 2nd party and not just by myself.

The general consensus of Christians beleives the private activity is sinful.

I discussed this in private with my UMC pastor who beleived it was an evil demon of Lust. He was my mentor in faith and I automatically took his words as factual truth. And so the rejection of her began. I married about 10 years later. My wife was aware of the previous effort in the church and my attempts to end the practice.

My spiritual mate did not present herself as an individual sentient being at that time. "Everyone" knows you can't have sex with ghosts or spirits, and surely anything evil In my life would have previously left by the power of faith and Church. My logical Conclusion was that it was only imagination. The work of subconsious. Imagination.

Hi Searcherseeker.
"Do you think it is possible that for the five years you, your wife and the 3rd party Tried to get rid of this thing that a part of you didn't really want her to go?"

I was single during the 5 years. Although no actual evil was occuring in my life, I was taught that sex was sinful and told by my mentors that she was an evil being. I had no reason to doubt them, I believed everything they said.
I have never had a more determined mind, goal and conviction to eradicate every sin out of my life.

The 5 year fight did not end because I felt threatened. 5 years is a very long time to focus that type of positive energy one direction (faith) with negative energy in a different direction (agianst her). The lack of progress for such a long time made it illogical to continue against someting which was more than likely the result of imagination fueld by biological need. Boxing against a nonexistent phantom.

Later on when I was married, a 3rd party approached which claimed the ability to whisk her away with no further intervention on my part. I had really wanted a "normal" life again and since I've known this spirit to some capacity all my life, I wondered what it would be like without her. I was not as tennatious and determined in the fight as before. Why? Because I was not entirely sure about the claims made by the 3rd party.

I also share your concern and shock about young and younger people reporting these experiences. I began an earnest quest for information after her reveal about this from people who actually experience them. One universal and common thread is they can not discuss this with anyone in person for fear of being labeled insane. They know something is happening with them yet not dare talk about it. You never know how someone may react. Whether they may gossip, whisper behind your back or worse.

Knowing they can't talk about it, I think keeping something so important in your life a complete and utter secret, keeping it only within yourself is absolutely the wrong thing to do. The idea suggests isolation.

I understand your beleif that discussion may, in a way glorify or encourage it. But the same logic can also be applied to other important adult discussions such as the use of alcohol and other drugs, the discussion of sex and other related topics. I believe those discussions is one of many parental responsibilities. I think it is important for an individual to have as much information from as many sources and views as possible to obtain a better assessment their own situation. It is more than wrong to encourage very young people about this. I have yet to see that type of encouragement anywhere on the net.
My comments are not to grow acceptance of these beings. It is just as important for those who find themselves the interest of these beings to get input from the experiences of others also involved as it is from those who have no experiene what so ever.

Regarding the idea of sex spirits draining energy, that is from the Malleus Maleficarum http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/mm/

It's an interesting read for those who believe woman is inferior to man, that satan can not influence man except through star positions, the Earth is the universe center, that unrepentant witches should be murdered, succubus steals man's seed before draining life until death then depositis into a woman to create demonic hybrid children etc etc etc.
It's ridiculous.
moonamiga (1 stories) (52 posts)
+5
5 years ago (2012-09-10)
Wow, I read this story and comments and was completely shocked!
I am 21 I feel independant as a woman and a career woman and until today I thought I knew a lot about the spiritual world.
This however takes things to a complete new level for me.
Anytime anything begins to talk to me and believe me things do talk to me I rebuke it.

Simply because I don't know what I am getting myself into and if at anytime I have doubts I rebuke it.

When things come from the Lord or in a good sense they come with peace and without doubts like you know its the right thing. We have a concious for a reason.

Javelena, and Aussie I love the way you put things.
What you said is very true but I also have something to say about this...

The thing that stood out to me was he doesn't want me to? Meaning he wants what ever he is doing to you to be kept private? In the dark hidden?

Anytime something is good it should be brought to the light no? Why then if its sooo good do you hold back?

Demons and the devil lie, tell you what you want to hear.

After so long though I can understand why its hard to let it go if its all you know?

I am not here to judge you, thank you for opening my eyes but I do want to tell you that God can set you free.
Look for help though this isn't a normal thing.

As crappy as relationships feel to me at times God made the man a woman, for me man is all there is... One will come your way one day that will make it all worth it I promise.

But don't forget about God! He can be your only answer to this... Open your eyes. ❤ ❤
SearcherSeeker (11 posts)
+3
5 years ago (2012-09-10)
Sergeant,

Do you think it is possible that for the five years you, your wife and the 3rd party tried to get rid of this thing that a part of you didn't really want her to go? You are only human and it seems from different comments you've made that your reasons for wanting it to go were your wife, the possibility that it would later hurt you and your kids etc. It wasn't that you wanted it out of your life because, as you've stated, you enjoyed the physical stuff a lot. If you deep down wanted it to remain in your life, as Hoochler points out, all the outside intervention in the world wouldn't help. God knows your heart and He acts accordingly. That certainly doesn't mean His power was useless against it.

I also think when you saw the attempts being unsuccessful you gave up, feeling that going along with its wishes would end up being the safest thing for you.

I have a growing concern - for reasons of my own- that there is a concerted effort by these beings to infiltrate people here and to build interest and acceptance among young people so they have an easy in. That's why your energy isn't being drained (yet). Because you are one of the people going along with what they want and helping to build acceptance and grow interest, which I have seen you do repeatedly on this site by your advice to young people like Chelsea.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-10)
Good Lord, what next?
You know, it doesn't matter who you involve in this mess of yours Sarg. If you are bound and determined to get your way, you'll get it. All of the explanations, dates, references, etc.? None of that amounts to a hill of beans when it was obvious all along you were going to keep what you had going. I see nothing to suggest you made any serious attempts at ridding yourself of this thing. All I see are excuses, not even good ones at that, but excuses nonetheless. You can talk forever and still you give yourself away as to what really occurred with you.
I see this same trait in the others as well.
Selfish, unrepentant, manipulators.
If it makes sense to you, it must be okay with The Almighty as well, huh? Now there's a presumption I wouldn't want coming back on me at my time of Judgement. I don't know what the punishment for making up His mind for Him is, and I don't want to find out!

WHEW! ~wipes sweat from brow~
Is it hot in here or did someone leave the Gates of Hell open again?

Do me a solid and don't be anywhere near me during a thunder storm...

Jav
LouSlips (10 stories) (979 posts)
+3
5 years ago (2012-09-10)
Chelsea,

Life is worth living... Your current choices are unhealthy and unwise. Give yourself the benefit of the doubt, and opportunities will present themselves... You just need to believe it.

Jav, JS, and Aussie... Great discussion points. Hoochler and Sergeant... You want to air your dirty laundry, that is your business. Just realize the clothesline is under a pigeon coop.

Scbsd,
My compliments to you! Doesn't it at least feel a little better to stop pretending? Even if your existence is still vile, parking the unmarked van with the candy and the puppy, is still a step.

Lou
rookdygin (24 stories) (4320 posts)
+3
5 years ago (2012-09-10)
Sergeant,

Thank you for answering my questions, I am a bit confused concerning something... Please set me straight on this point...

When your 'spiritual lover' began to visit you and you attempted to 'fight her off', up to an including the use of Church Clergy were you with your wife? I ask because you have stated that you had to explain all the steps you tried to 'get rid' of her to your wife... But you have also stated that your wife 'has known...' let me quote you so there is no mistake...

"I had told my wife about this spirit the very next day after she revealed herself. I gave every detail to her. She suggested I "go with it"."

If that is indeed the truth then what made you want to 'stop' the contact? Again I ask because from reading previous posts of yours I had 'gathered' that your 'spiritual lover' had 'contacted you' before you met your wife and efforts to 'get rid' of her around the time you met your wife make sense to me.

Again, thanks for your answers.

Respectfully,

Rook
Sergeant (3 stories) (98 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-10)
Hi rookdygin.

"Does your wife know about your 'spirit lover'? If so for how long?"

I had told my wife about this spirit the very next day after she revealed herself. I gave every detail to her. She suggested I "go with it".

If you read my previous reply you'll find my daily attempts to expell her, for a period of about 5 years through the power of the Church and Christ. Everything tried was ineffective, yet here she is as a sentient being.
I believe God is omipotent, yet apparently did not effect her years ago which lead (s) me to a conclusion she is meant to be in my life and nothing to indicate further rejection of her would be any less effective than before.

I have a wife I love with all my heart, yet this spirit who I recognize as having a sort of odd union with for a very long time has introduced herself with desire to become my wife. Knowing she's here to stay I had some important choices to make.

Do I once again try to fight her full well knowing it will likely be fruitless base on the past or do I cautiously accept the development and try to establish safeguards to my family and marriage? I made the best choice available and accepted the development.

Why the safeguards? Because of all the scary stories which circulate around the web. Stories of draining life until death, demon hybrid children, destruction of marriages etc. Even though none of it fit my personal experiences I felt the need to apply safeguards.

During the first few months my wife would ask about the strange visitations. I'd admit they were occasionally happening. A computer glitch happened which sent her a link to research websites where I was discussing my visitations and trying to obtain tangible information about it. She wasn't happy and I changed my login information for those websites.

Why did I change my login credentials? This is an example why.

I believe it was early 2009 when (somebody) contacted me saying they had the unique ability to "sweep" this being away and forever imprison her or otherwise keep her away. I didn't fully believe this individual since it was apparent that Christ and his omnipotent power chose not to intervene.
I did not want to keep secrets from my wife and wondered what it would be like without a spiritual union so I accepted this individual's offer. I told my wife absolutely everything. How, where, how often and why. I told her about the confidence of the 3rd party (and she already knew my Church experiences) and asked for her help.

She found several websites for "help"... "Demonbusters" I think was one of them which pumped her up and loaded her with prayers. I also stopped my activity with the spirit and joined the fight.

The activity of the 3rd party was no more effective than the former. I believe this went on for about two weeks and my wife began to show signs of real despair for lack of progress and the 3rd party was getting wierd and began making scary suggestions from what appeared to have become a personal obsession.

Things were becoming unraveled on all sides so I told people she had left. A while later I informed the 3rd party about the decision and why. I also told my wife that the spirit visits occasionally. She's enquired about it maybe 4-5 times over the years and I offer a very obviously limited response. She is alright with this arrangement and life goes on.

You also asked "How do you know that once 'she' is done with you it won't all 'go down the toilet'?"

She's been with me all my life. We've had a sort of odd union for about 47 years, and a straight forward relationship for about 5 years. I have every indication we are as inseparable as a guardian Angel would be. Every indication says this is permanent.

You asked
"Thou Shalt not commit adultery.
Is there a special 'rule' for spiritual lovers?"

No such rule I am aware of. However I was faced with some important decisions when she revealed herself which I had just previously explained. I know that I made the best decision I could ever make given the very unique circumstances. Was it a perfect decision? No. But the best among limited options.
rookdygin (24 stories) (4320 posts)
+4
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
Sergeant, Hooch,

Ummm folks can we 'KNOCK OFF' the TIT of TAT crap. It's obvious there is a History between the two of you, a history that doesn't seem to 'forward' the cause here. No disrespect to either of you, but the last few 'exchanges' seem to have been quite personal.

Having said that, Sergeant I have a question (or 2) for you...

You stated this...

"My wife and I are closer than ever, approaching 20 years of marriage and our relationship continues to grow. Nothing is "being done" to my marriage.

My life continues to do very well. I'm probably the most positive individual you could ever meet in person and enjoy helping others. I have a few very close personal friends, but I prefer to keep myself around home and family. Where I should be. I'm educated and had very good employment with a major company for 14 years. You'd find I am among the most positive people you could meet and anxious to help people.
My relationshp with God has grown closer than it has before she revealed herself not the opposite. My wife has a very strong willed type of personality which is one of her assets. She's strong, positive and wise in everything she does."

Sounds like everything is 'dunky hory' so here are some questions from me...

Does your wife know about your 'spirit lover'? If so for how long?

These 'great things' in your life, how do you know they are not being 'aided/provided' by your 'spirit lover' for their benefit? How do you know that once 'she' is done with you it won't all 'go down the toilet'?

Your relationship with 'God' is strong... If so can you please explain how your 'Spiritual Lover' fits into that relationship... As the Commandants state...

Thou Shalt not commit adultery.

Is there a special 'rule' for spiritual lovers?

I think that covers my questions for the moment, I hope I have managed to do it without 'waxing' to religious. Hope to hear from you soon.

Respectfully,

Rook
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
[at] Locrian,

Yes, we've heard each one of you step up to the microphone and announce how much you hate this place for all the arguing that goes on.
However, there is some evidence I would like to point to that suggests otherwise.

~How many times have you returned since you quit the site the first time?
~Each return trip was merely to argue your own point.
~Announcements of this type seem to be a thing with you. As you reported when you arrived here, straight from another site where you had recently resigned your membership as well.

This is a common theme among the incubus/succubus community it seems. You all come over here to moan and wail about how much negativity is here and how much you hate it. As you can see by this thread and the one we were using when you resigned the site the first time, most of that negativity is bussed in.
We didn't ask for it, we weren't serving it, but we certainly won't allow ourselves to be bowled over and run down by it either.

Don't let the door hitcha where the good Lord splitcha!

Jav
Locrian (guest)
-2
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
I am through with this coversation and with this site;
On the grounds that it seems all anyone wants to do here is to argue. Without the facts to back up their argument. This is my last post and I withdraw my membership from this site.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+1
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
[at] Locrian,

Nobody wanted you to post your videos or EVPs online. Apparently you are assuming things that simply are not true. We were asking for help in gathering evidence on these entities. I did not assume we would ever need to watch your videos or listen to the EVPS you have so far. I know they are not the type of thing I want to see or hear on this site. But if you had any ideas about getting the evidence without it being a sexual situation, that would have been more like it.
You know, for all the talk from the others about how these beings have been such a positive and uplifting presence in their lives, not a one of them, including yourself, has any interest in gathering evidence away from the bedroom. Even though we'd prefer to see something of their presence that doesn't involve sex, it seems odd that the entire community backed out en masse.

Jav
Sergeant (3 stories) (98 posts)
-2
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
Hi Hoochler.

You wrote:
"Positive helpers do not do what your creature is doing in your life and marriage."

You are assuming many false things.
My wife and I are closer than ever, approaching 20 years of marriage and our relationship continues to grow. Nothing is "being done" to my marriage.

My life continues to do very well. I'm probably the most positive individual you could ever meet in person and enjoy helping others. I have a few very close personal friends, but I prefer to keep myself around home and family. Where I should be. I'm educated and had very good employment with a major company for 14 years. You'd find I am among the most positive people you could meet and anxious to help people.
My relationshp with God has grown closer than it has before she revealed herself not the opposite. My wife has a very strong willed type of personality which is one of her assets. She's strong, positive and wise in everything she does.
My oldest just began private college with almost full scolorship. He's also about the most friendly and outgoing person you could meet. Both my middle and youngest are exceeding in school, both with a fair number of friends.
My home is a peaceful refuge for all of us. Sometimes the kids get in a bit of quarrel but nothing major.

Does this sound like a person (and family by proxy) under the influence of an evil creature from satan "sent" to destroy us?
Your statment bears no factual evidence. If this were true she's had decades of opportunity to destroy me personally, separate me from God and almost half a decade to isolate or break my family bond and do the evil things evil beings do.

She has never taken the liberty to do any of those things.

Regarding the Angels, daughters, nephillim and flood, that is a handy argument for you but it bears no context in this discussion.

For example,
* What type of blame was put upon the women involved, and what type of punishment was made to them, specifically?
* The Angels produced physical hybrid offspring. "Giants". If these are the same types of beings then why no such offspring today?
* It specifically states Angels attracted to females. There is no mention what so ever of Angels attracted to males. How can these be he same types when today, both male and female have encounters?
* You said " were having sex with mankind " which is flat wrong. It says -Daughters of man- which is very gener specific.

About the flood. Are you saying the flood was caused because Angels had their way with the females? Somehow I missed that one.

Your memory is faulty about our conversations 3 years ago. For example she never said... And I never claimed she was "sent" by anyone or anything and she never had a goal to dissolve my marriage.

Do you still harness your 5 powerful djinn sisters? If so I encourage you to separate from them, Here is something you may be inerested in.
"All About the Djinn
They are more than just evil beings"
Http://paranormal.about.com/od/demonsandexorcism/a/aa060506.htm

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