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SmokeyKnight (3 stories) (193 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-08)
Jitow, Christians only make up about 33% of the world's population. That means 67% of the world doesn't believe your comments about the end of times. What does the apocalypse have to do with this discussion?

Knowledge would increase (Daniel 12:4)

Jesus said Christians would be hated "for His name's sake" (Matthew 24:9)

Sounds like self-fulfilling prophecy to me. You shove your beliefs down someone's throat enough, they grow to resent anyone with the same ideas. And I guess it's a bad thing that people want to know things and understand... BAD HUMANS!

Not that this has anything to do with the sex demon thing. The fact remains, I find it hard to believe anyone would think their religious idol would bother with sexual relations with a mere mortal.

A sex demon is a sex demon. We've got plenty of suggestions on how to get rid of them.
DCinAZ (guest)
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7 years ago (2011-02-08)
Ezcuse me Daylight for using your page again.
[at] WB~~ I understood your post, and I thank you for that, I really apreciated that comment because I know it came from the heart. My comment was in addressing all the others, sorry I didn't make that clear.

[at] jitow~~ Everything said from yesterday is where I'd like to see it stay, yesterday. BUT, I do realize that what you want and what you get are not always on par with each other. All I can offer is hopefully a better understanding of the suffering of others and a chance to make up for my ignorance and thickheaded ways.
What you say about the end times and the signs? Where were you in the sixties? Now THOSE were some end times signs of the apocalyps if I ever saw any! There was a river in Ohio that caught fire from the pollution back then, it's true. A RIVER of FIRE! And you think it's tough now? Viet Nam? Assasinations of JFK, RFK and MLK? C'mon man! I could do this all day, and believe me, you'd be hard pressed to keep up with the comparisons. Every generation thinks it's the end of times, nothing new in this cycle that can't be topped by another one from the past. Seriously.
Jitow (353 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-08)
Hey DeCINAZ. I just wanted to make myself understood on one point since this whole thing has popped. I do believe that she is being harrassed by what you call a sex demon. They are quite charming to begin with and the moment that they feel the hook snag, they set it extremely deep. I can't even imagine how hard it is to even write this stuff. I was just blown away at how far off someone could be misinformed could be about Jesus, claiming to have come from a christian background. I said it and I meant it. The prophecies in the Bible are coming true so fast and furioous right now, one only need watch the evening news to get a degree in eschatology (study of end times revelations). Listen, you all that know me have always known from the start that I am a hard headed Christian. I used to laugh at the doom and gloom preachers on TV that would set a date for the end of the world just to have the date pass by. That was then folks. Jesus said that you would know the time was near when things were as they were in the days of Noah. We're there. Am I scared, not at all. There is another date that we do not know but we do know it will be before this final conlict. It is called the Rapture, I implore you brothers and sisters, get your ticket. Jesus is going to make the aliens look like a sparkler in the sky. You don't want to be here when we leave.
whitebuffalo (guest)
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7 years ago (2011-02-08)
Alright. I guess I need to come back here and apologise for my last comment here, as it obviously is not being read in the way I wrote it.
What I INTENDED to get across is that this is a "family" type atmosphere, and that in such an atmosphere "learning" transpires, and that we HELP one another.
Sorry I gave my opinion on the love I tend to feel from this site.
Geez Guys. If you do not understand, just ASK me. I would be more than happy to break things down. Practically ALL of you "know" me.
Thanx.
Succubussed (guest)
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7 years ago (2011-02-08)
In order to understand why Daylight thought that her lover was Divine, even the Christ, it is important to realize that the sensations produced by having contact with one of these Beings are indescribably pleasant and feel as if they could come from some sort of Heavenly Being.

Without any alternative explanation (and there really isn't much information available that isn't built on fear-based myth), I can understand how a person could come to the conclusion that this amazing feeling of pleasure and love (those two elements seem to be the predominant parts of the experience) must be of Divine origin.

I don't have any answers. I don't believe in the One God, but that's the result of the particular path that my life has taken, and my own free choice. But... I could be wrong. It has happened before.

I do know that Daylight isn't the first person to have decided that God is having intimate contact with her.

From the Ida Craddock site (google it), and the section on "Heavenly Bridegrooms" (be warned that it's a long and complex read),
Comes this excerpt of a pamphlet titled "Undert the Divine Touch", by Chester E. Pond of Philadelphia (written some time before 1902)...

"At times I am consciously alone with the Lord. At other times I am consciously in the presence of angels. Since these touches of the Lord are infinite in variety, I can never tell one minute what will occur the next. As I now sit writing I am so literally full that every particle of flesh in my body feels as if it were alive and moving. This extreme fulness in the daytime does not occur every day. It will probably not continue more than eight or ten hours. While I am busy it is not excessively delightful. But if I were to lean back in my chair, or to go and lie down, I should soon be completely deluged with floods of heavenly glory, and be 'lost in wonder, love and praise.' The movings of the spirit are usually undulatory. When I am still, and sometimes when at work, they come like waves of liquid sweetness, and roll over me and through me in every conceivable direction, and with all conceivable variety."

I don't think that Chester E. Pond or Daylight here were (or are) being touched by "God" or "Christ" per-se, but then I don't really know what these Beings are exactly, so who's to say who's right or wrong?

I do know that it's real and it happens, and I applaud Daylight for having the courage to come here and add her story to the scant information that is available regarding this phenomenon
koalagirl (3 stories) (111 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-08)
hi thankyou for your story, please be careful what ever comes from this is not good, these things what I have learned from others are not a good thing, its a demon who only want a soul. Cheers di
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-07)
I believe there are two parallel types of experiences going on in regards to sex spirits and these types of stories in my opinion and at the end of the day, that is what we are all sharing here in the quest to better understand our spiritual and physical experiences. Both of them to the recipient, are as real as each other, the difference is one of them is not. After 29 years of these types of experience I believe I can identify the difference between the two. A real succubus or incubus has a powerful intense seductive feeling attached with it and often objects including clothes can be moved away from the body and around the room, Some people here have had that type of interaction and even encourage it to a point of starting a relationship, Good luck to them.

However I believe most of these experiences that find there way here are not caused by a real sex spirit, but by there own inner self. We are all sexual creatures by nature, it sometimes doesn't matter how moral or religious you are, if you are hot and frigid with all due respect nature will try and take care of your sexual needs especially if you wont, normally these types of experiences happen when the recipient either just wakes up or is falling to sleep. Our subconscious is so powerful it creates and controls the experience without our conscious approval... With two states of mind working at once and thinking separately, creates the illusion of a separate entity and the sexual experience in play... If you find these experiences too disturbing and feel guilt in any way because of them, try masturbating yourself before you go to sleep it just may just stop the experiences all together, I'm sorry if anyone takes offense from what I just said, but I know there are those reading this to afraid to comment looking for answers.

Daz
SmokeyKnight (3 stories) (193 posts)
 
7 years ago (2011-02-07)
I don't know of any "God" or "deity" that would bother with sexual interactions with a human. I suppose we can go back to Roman and Greek mythology, but that somehow seems pointless. A demon, spirit, djinn, phantom, spectre, ghost, deity, God, angel, or otherworldly being isn't concerned with lies to something like a human. I am reminded of the Mothman Prophecies:

John Klein: I think we can assume that these entities are more advanced than us. Why don't they just come right out and tell us what's on their minds?
Alexander Leek: You're more advanced than a cockroach, have you ever tried explaining yourself to one of them?
DARKNESS (3 stories) (2022 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-07)
Hahaha this is funny I was explaining this to Hazman the other week about the comments these stories receive, once you realise this you will soon realise to not even read them or comment on them unless you are dead set certain you comments are helpfull. Fuel to the fire!
BadJuuJuu (guest)
 
7 years ago (2011-02-07)
Just let it go. It's over, let it die. Let's not drag this up again, today, tomorrow, ever. It's best for all on this site to just let it end.
DCinAZ (guest)
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7 years ago (2011-02-07)
I do understand that the experiences of many are real, I didn't mean to leave the impression that I didn't believe it happens to people when they get these entities attached to them. That impression was my fault, hell this is all my fault. I do take the blame for the trouble I've caused, and I'm not trying to deny that the phenomenon does exist. I went completely overboard, I snapped, I am very sorry that I left the impression that it wasn't a real experience. What got to me was the proliferation of these, across the spectrum. It seemed to turn into a game and, yes I realize how wrong that impression is too. However, it is an honest impression. I didn't come searching for them, I normally pass them right on by. Why? Well, you can see why. Because I'll do more harm than good when it comes to something I haven't got the experience to deal with. My problem grew to it's massive boiling point when I came across the comment sections of these stories. And like I said before, I'm guilty of it too. I wasn't passing blame onto others, the way people are relieving their own guilt by pushing it onto me, I might add. It's a constant stream of jokes and and one liners. And I'd just had enough. So all those who've chastised me might want to look in the mirror too. I've had to, in a very public way, and that is of my own doing. But you may want to drop those stones from your hands, unless of course you are free from guilt. I can't explain it any other way. If you don't understand then it doesn't apply to you I guess. I'll take all the blame coming to me, I deserve it. And I'll be back for more tommorow, you can bet on it.
Sergeant (3 stories) (98 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-07)
By reviewing Daylights post, it is plain that she didn't say she currently believes the entity is Jesus.

She states she "thought" it was (past tense) based on her religious belief. These encounters van be so utterly beautiful that I can't really fault her.

There have also been accounts of priests and monks making similar assessments for their similar encounters. It is very easy to correlate this with a religious experience.

Her last paragraph describes an entity (not Jesus) even possibly many.
I applaud DayLight for posting her story here. This is likely the only place she trusted enough to post it. It takes guts and know you are not alone.
whitebuffalo (guest)
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7 years ago (2011-02-07)
Actually, DC, I DO mind.
I can not let you "sneak out the back". *smiling*
I am just as guilty as you, only you had the finger speed to write what my conscience could not allow me to do. You are bold, and beautiful and every thought you have is VERY important.
This site is a family. In every family, there are riffs. No one said this site would be free of frustrations, heated debate, or incredulous tales. We have to EXPECT that, though, and TRY to teach patience, understanding, and how to be a shoulder when needed.
The "young" (not simply meaning chronological age) will try to test the waters, it is up to the experienced to lead them, AND let them fall. They will never LEARN, truly learn, until they are bruised a bit.
I am one who has experienced a real "live" incubus. I do not say that lightly. For SO long, (and those long time members may recall this) I tried to pretend that was not true. I lied to MYSELF as it "simply could NOT be". It is amazing the things I WOULD accept, but a "sex demon"? Uh-uh. Not me.
I DO see what you mean. The made up stories have to stop. Not only in these types of Entities, but in all of them. The problem with that is the "benefit of doubt". If there is the slimmest of chances that it COULD be true, then... WHO are we harming by saying it is not?

Daylight.
LOVE the screen name.
Thank you.
rachie (1 stories) (65 posts)
 
7 years ago (2011-02-07)
simply stating: there are a lot of succubus/incubus stories on here lately.

Question: does your mentioning of the lord and jesus christ offend them? Are they seven? Why have you not checked your own story yet?
Miracles51031 (36 stories) (4802 posts) mod
+5
7 years ago (2011-02-07)
DC - I accept your apology and am very glad you came back and offered it ❤
DCinAZ (guest)
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7 years ago (2011-02-07)
I have really gone around the bend this time, huh? Yeah, I'd say so. I apologize to those I've hurt with my screeching, ranting fit. I didn't think before I broke loose. Been doing quite a bit of that lately. I seriously did not intend to do so much harm, just more proof that... Oh well, again sorry for the hurt feelings. And now that I've completely embarrassed myself, I'll just leave out the back... If you don't mind
Miracles51031 (36 stories) (4802 posts) mod
+5
7 years ago (2011-02-07)
DC - I can't believe I'm doing this, but feel it has to be said. Although I think I understand why you said what you did, I feel it necessary to share something here. I'm not going to be graphic and not going to say more than needs to be said. I am one of these same people you are suggesting is telling a lie about a sex demon. I just didn't post my story on here.

This is to everyone else who commented on this story. This site does need to air these stories. If, as has been said multiple times by many, many people before now, you don't want to read them, don't. The titles give the stories away. Move onto something else. But there are people who have had real experiences that need to talk to other people who have experienced the same thing or something similar. I am one of those people. There are other sites, yes, that people can go to, but those sites are not intended for children. And I do not believe we should encourage children to seek sites that are far more educated than they need.

Let me ask all of you this question. Where would we have been if this site hadn't been here us? We, with our ghost experiences? Who would have believed us? Who would we have talked to? Obviously we were looking for someone, anyone and we turned to strangers who became our families and our friends. Because they knew what we were going through and believed in us. So who are we to say that every sex demon experience on here is a fabrication? It's no different than saying every ghost story on here is a lie: yours and mine.

Just because you haven't experienced a sex demon, doesn't mean it's not real. And, yes, I have to agree with y'all. I don't believe 90% of these stories. But you know what? There's still 10% of them that might actually be true.
cosmogal926 (9 stories) (1223 posts)
+1
7 years ago (2011-02-07)
Pjod, yes thank you. That is exactly the idea I was going for. 😊 😉
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
+3
7 years ago (2011-02-07)
aya,
this story can only be one of 3 things...
Real, imagined, or made up. If it falls in with one of the first two options... Than this girl obviously needs some sort of direction... If the creator of this website decides a certain story is obviously fabricated, I'm all for not having it posted. If posting, than it should be posted as it was written.
People are too easily offended... Not speaking about anyone below in particular. Just seems obvious that some responses are done out of offense, when the creator of the thread did not intend on doing so.
Rashidah (guest)
 
7 years ago (2011-02-07)
I am wondering if it was another deity if it would have been accepted by all.

Just a thought there 😉
aya22 (guest)
 
7 years ago (2011-02-07)
cosmo, thanks for saying what I forgot to say. The conception of Jesus in this story is far from truth and what I think to be only a snare for people to comment on this. Good suggestion as well, perhaps more time spent on what stories are appropriate or not is needed. I understand people have different opinions/beliefs/experiences/etc. But this reads like trolling to me...
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-07)
cosmogal,
I'd rather not have these stories filtered by someone who's idea of appropriate is different than my own. If a story is obviously false, I'm all for not posting it. If someone's story seems genuine, and in obvious distress, than post the story as it is. Our virgin ears can handle it. 😁
DCinAZ (guest)
 
7 years ago (2011-02-07)
OK, that's cool, whatever you want. I agree with you Cosmo. I was wrong for being so out front with it. Sorry guys, won't happen again, believe me. I got the message loud and clear.
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-07)
couldn't disagree with DC more...
These type of encounters are a small piece to the paranormal puzzle. Sure, there are those who will look for attention, creating a false tale. There are those who believe they have a real problem, and they should have a place to air that, if only to get some feedback. We can't just up and dismiss this particular category, because some may be uncomfortable. That is not how we do, in America. Every bit of the paranormal is just as important as the next. Stories of ghostly pets bore me, so I just skip over those threads--- easy solution.
cosmogal926 (9 stories) (1223 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-07)
I am going to have to agree with everyone else who disagreed with your statement about Jesus. You have a seriously misguided opinion and idea of Jesus. I am appalled that you even thought He would defile a human being in that way. You need to wake up, get your head on straight and realize that what is happening to you. (if it's even the truth) that these are most commonly known as sex demons. And just to add if you are a Christian you would know that certain demons will identify themselves as "MANY"

DC: these stories turn my stomach as much as the next person, but unfortuantely there a few that are true and people really need help and advice with them. Maybe a little more time going over these types of stories and deciding what's appropriate and what's not would be a good idea.
Succubussed (guest)
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7 years ago (2011-02-07)
To DCinAZ... Who died and left you in charge? The owner of this site obviously doesn't share your views or they wouldn't have created the category, Succubus/Incubus/Sexual Ghosts in the first place.

This category did not just appear by itself. The creator of YGS also made room for Succubus/Incubus/Sexual Ghost stories, which would indicate to me that they don't have a problem with the subject, and in fact it would seem to me that they give it as much credence as any other type of haunting.

If you don't want to read these sort of stories, don't click on them.

It's not up to you or any other YGS member to "get rid of" this category or any other category of story.

If you find stories in this category to be distasteful, then the solution is simple. Don't read them.

You don't have to try to censor what everyone else has access to. This category provides a very valuable service to people who would otherwise have nobody to talk to about this very real thing that happens to some of us (whether you believe it or not).
aya22 (guest)
 
7 years ago (2011-02-07)
I'm with you DCinAZ. The sex with spirits stories on this site has gotten out of control and is becoming ridiculous. I don't see why we bother commenting on them at all. More than half the time when I come on, there's always a few of these stories up and it seems like one after another they get more and more strange and outlandish. It's a joke. And please, can we leave religion out of it? If all these people want is responses, I believe there's a term for that: troll. 😐
DCinAZ (guest)
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7 years ago (2011-02-07)
ALL RIGHT! Every member on this site LISTEN UP! If we ever want to get rid of these stupid sex demon stories we are going to have to stop commenting on them alltogether.
All you have to do is look at the length of these stories comment sections to see what has happened. Any bystander would tell you that these are the most popular stories on this site for that reason alone. If we keep this up we'll never get rid of these things. We all want it to stop, don't we? Then we are going to have to shut ourselves up from commenting on them. I know, I'm guilty of it too. But if we want to keep this place from turning into soft-porn central then we need to be serious.
What do you say guys?
Who's with me?
Jitow (353 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-06)
Wow, that has got to be the most blasphemous statement that I have ever heard. Who in the world ever told you that you that you or any other individual was to be Christ lover. There is no Christ's lover. That is a new one on me and most anyone else who reads this. Evidently what you have so tragically speculated on is where the Bible tells us that the Church, not any individual, is the symbolic bride of Christ. The Church, Symbolic, get it. I can now understand after reading this part of your post why you would believe a demonic spirit when it told you that Jesus was just a man. What do you think a demonic spirit would tell you if you asked it about Jesus. You have taken the cake on this site. I thought I had heard it all. I am not going to question your intelligence, I am truly afraid of what your answer would be. I would advise you to cry out to Jesus to save you from this lying deceiving spirit before it is too late. I have been quiet lately, but if you bring Jesus into it and write stuff that blasphemous, it is on. I pray God has mercy on you.
nitghtterrors (3 posts)
 
7 years ago (2011-02-05)
These fallen angel was cast out of heaven becaue the were having sex with the daughters of man. They are still up to there old sex games. They have since becames the spirit sex demons. They do not mean you any good they are not your friend, they are only pretening to be Do not listen to what they have to say or believe what they are telling you. If you have a Christian background you should have known that.
Clover_Evers (4 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-04)
This is a scary story... Because something about it gives me the creeps, I'm not sure why. I know these are suppose to be true stories... But I hope this one isnt.
SmokeyKnight (3 stories) (193 posts)
 
7 years ago (2011-02-04)
Hazman I think said it best. I'm not a Christian, nor do I follow such concepts. But in all my reading of the Bible, I've never read anything that would suggest such things would happen or be condoned by "God". So that thought (as Hazman said) should have NEVER crossed your mind.
HazMan_III (4 stories) (91 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-04)
I have to agree and say that I think you're being misled... These beings seem to be painting a grandiose picture for you, and generally speaking, angels do not do this. They whisper little pieces of wisdom that have a general meaning when taken out of context. They try and influence you to do good. The feeling you get when in the presence of an angel is very distinct.

Also, guardian angels are of the Bene Elhoim. All they do is sing God's glory... I very much doubt they have any carnal desire to satisfy, nor do I believe that they are interested in quenching yours. If they want to protect you, they will do so.

I honestly think you're a bit confused. From the start you mentioned that you were having sexual encounters, and you thought Christ was joining you. Does that not sound the least bit ludicrous? Christ should never have come into your mind.

Please get some assistance, perhaps some psychiatric help first, then help that pertains to anything supernatural, if it's even necessary.

Best of luck to you.
Trinity1993 (5 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-04)
I agree with moravian, you're being misled by something you have no understanding of at all.
ghetanna (2 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-04)
A warning is not the same as judging. These entities are real and that's why they feel real to you. They are real demons and they want your soul. They are as pleasing as pie and will do anything to make you their friend/lover. You are in true danger to keep them around you. "MANY" is another name for "LEGION".When Jesus said to the possessed man,"Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit",he asked him "What is thy name"? And he answered "My name is Legion: for we are MANY". Jesus cast them out and into a herd of swine. Yes, I'm Christian, and yes I know a bit of the Bible. Maybe not word for word, but enough to get Gods' message across. Believe me when I tell you, the day you decide you don't want them around, is the day you will experience their true temperment. Am I trying to scare you? If it will turn you away from the lying demons, then darn skippy I am. Even Satan himself can come to you as a beautiful angel and offer his hand to you, to take.That's the difference between Satan, and his demons, compared to angels (heavenly hosts). You can't touch a heavenly host because we are unclean and full of sin. Sin cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven, yet these enties are touching you, correct? Please think about the warnings we are giving you. Yes, I'm one of the "Bible throwers", and I'm GLAD I care enough for you to do so. Immagine a total stranger caring that much!
moravian (1 stories) (171 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-04)
Though I respect your right to your own interpretation of christ, I think you are going way way down the wrong path here in who Jesus is. You are being misled.
Rashidah (guest)
 
7 years ago (2011-02-04)
I really like this story. I have heard of some christians talk about their experiences with Jesus like this. You are not the first and I am pretty sure you will not be the last to have that kind of experience.
It is very good that you are brave enough to come out on this site and share your experience. ❤
I will use your story as a link to other peoples' similar experiences.
Sergeant (3 stories) (98 posts)
 
7 years ago (2011-02-04)
Thank you for your brave account DayLight.

I know exactly what you mean. My spiritual mate has probably been with me all my life and although she selflessly remained hidden from me for over 30 years, we've been developing a close relationship together for almost 3 years now. Her level of compassion, patience and true love can't be matched by any Earthly standard. It's simply amazing.

My spiritual spouse says she's an Angel from the light of God, however I believe our two interpretations may be somewhat different.

Thank you again and I wish and pray the best for (all) of you.
redphx (4 stories) (827 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-04)
I am sorry but you have the strangest idea of who Jesus is. I am sitting here with my mouth open in shock. You are the first person ever to say something like that. Interesting opinion.

Anyway... Don't believe everything that these things are telling you. Most creatures like this are expert con-artists. As long as you feel you are not threatened and you like the visits then you should let them continue.

Hell there are things out there that I know I've never heard about and different planes of existance that I can't even imagine. Love is a very strong emotion and it is pleasure to be loved no matter what who the entity is. Don't feel like you are doing something wrong. I don't know what these entities are or where they come from but as long as they are treating you well and not consuming your physical life then let them stay. You make the judgment call.
Hoochler (1 stories) (263 posts)
 
7 years ago (2011-02-04)
I don't think that these types spirits are what they make themselves appear to be. In my YGS bio I make a case which uses the Bible to classify these types of spirits as demons. Since you were raised Christian, you may care to read it. Just click on my name and my YGS bio will come up. May God give you clarity in this matter.
lexyk1224 (3 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-04)
don't believe anything they say because they are tricking you into believing them and that is what they are supposed to do your job is to ignore them. It is not wrong to be tempted by Satan and hes demons. It is your job to not listen to anything the say because their job is to still kill and destroy. So it is up to you take my advise.
snowhite (203 posts)
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7 years ago (2011-02-04)
I am not trying to judge you and I believe what you said is what you have experienced. However I definately don't think they are regular spirits or ghosts, they are demons! Deomons also try to appear to people as loving and caring things. It is just too early for you to say they are wonderful. Wait until the days you finally want to stay away from them, then see how they react.
Succubussed (guest)
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7 years ago (2011-02-04)
Daylight, I am in a similar relationship with a Succubus, and I feel much the same about her and what is going on as you do with your Friend and Lover.

If you would like to speak with others who feel this way and who also experience what you experience, you can go to my profile (click my username) and click on the "my website" link. You will be taken to a lightly moderated forum, where you can talk about this with others who share the same sort of experience, anonymously, without being judged.

I would imagine that you're going to get a lot of bibles thrown at you here for the feelings you have.

Your account is very honest and well thought out. Thanks, it was enlightening to read it.

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