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Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
Always makes me cringe to hear someone use the phrase "God D*&n" Call me "tight"- but feel it is used in poor taste. Maybe it's just a "lost in translation" thing here-?
vidya_amani (2 stories) (78 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
Wrek, it is not about where they live, it is about colonized countries that brought all the roman catholic and protestant beliefs everywhere, making pagans submit to western beliefs. Don't judge me if you don't know anything about religious history and canon law. Thanks!
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-20)
vid,
So, "judge not lest ye be judged" only counts if you are the one doing the judging? Is that what you consider 'enlightenment'?

Now THAT is funny! πŸ˜†

Jav
vidya_amani (2 stories) (78 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-20)
Granny I am going to leave this post with:

You are right, I am hypocritical for judging those who go to church each sunday because to some that is enough and sufficient to quench their spiritual hunger... But not for me, I like to see God everyday and in everything not just on Sundays from a religious yet spiritually intolerant preacher.

Great comment, only way to God is through yourself... Better have your own laws of beliefs than that of another... As long as you believe. πŸ˜† ❀
WReck72 (1 stories) (116 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
vidya_amani-
I'm not expert in "asian" spirituality but it was my understanding that you accept people for who and what they are and see their potential for growth not demonize them for what part of the world they happen to live in. In you've spoken out against thousands of people you have never and will never meet based on a small sample of the population. Often when I argue against someones beliefs I find the best thing for my is to go back and study my own. I also usually try not to argue about any beliefs I have not personally studied on my own. I have found most people tend to miss represant their own beliefs on a regular basis. I am not sure which school of "Asian" spirituality you are a part of but it seems to be a rather judgmental one based on the example you have set forth.
I personally live in America you do not know me and have not ever met me please do not judge me based purely on other people you have met that I have never associated with, it's not fair.
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3329 posts) mod
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
vidya: I belong to "The Church of Granny's Beliefs, and If You Don't Like It, Tough"...Not everyone HAS a religious affiliation, nor in my opinion, is one necessary to achieve spiritual enlightenment... 😊
vidya_amani (2 stories) (78 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
Wow you people are so god damn "tight"... Thanks "pjod"!

Granny I can't see the hypocrisy in a statement of Truth... As far as judging westerners, I was referring to those who have no "asian" understanding of spiritual beliefs and who judge those who actually believe in a reality greater than the mere pshycial illusion. Sorry if that was misunderstood when I was actually making a connection between westerners and materialism... From where I am from, all the churches live in fear of the occult and call it of the Devil. If your church is nothing of the sorts, then you are one of the few lucky ones who didn't got labeled an outcast by the "religious community" because of your beliefs in spirit. What church do you belong to if I may ask? A spiritual church who welcome psychics and supernatural phenomena? Then that church is surely influenced by "asian" beliefs, which is rare in my country...here's almost no such thing in the town I live, the witches keep to themselves and hold church on their own solitary wise.
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-20)
Perhaps my psychic certificate post went far over your head. It was made in jest-
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3329 posts) mod
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
vidya: your statement: "Sanjee as far as I know Westerners are more religious than spiritual, they say they believe in God but have no living experience with the Spirit world. LOL", could be interpreted as hypocritical, ignorant, and judgemental as well... And the throwing rocks part?...You know what they say about those who live in glass houses...

Let's move forward, and leave this thread like adsouza suggested...Thanks!
vidya_amani (2 stories) (78 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
LMAO...I wasn't aware that you had to get a license to be a psychic... You either have the gift bestowed by God's Spirit on you, or you don't. Yes moon must have very much money, for those new age workshops... Getting his/her certificates. πŸ˜† πŸ€” Ba ha ha you made my day, thank you!
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-20)
And some of us just seem to get that old tired feeling when things get drug out a little too far.

Jav
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
hmmm, Moongrim a psychic? He was just recently looking into getting his license/certificate. I doubt he has one hanging on his wall just yet.
Vidya and San- Don't be so quick to lump all of us into one "ignorant category"...you might be surprised how many folks on this side of the planet are spiritual vs religious.
vidya_amani (2 stories) (78 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
Oh thank you very much moon and javelina, we have so much "beautiful" spiritual people on here, bashing each other left and right... You are clearly not working from a higher source of Light. But it is okay, call me names, judge not lest ye be judged. I am used to being trampled over and called names in the name of Truth. But I won't call you names, I can understand why you are so hostile - threatened by the Light. So by the way of compassion I forgive you for your ignorance! As I always say when it comes to people like you - throw some more stones so that people can be aware of your true nature... For psychics you people are surely not, if unconditional love and compassion is not your way of approaching things and people, seeing the special in everybody before judging based from sheer ego.
Moongrim (2 stories) (871 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-20)
Well Vidya, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to detect B.S.

And you've got more than a shovelful.
vidya_amani (2 stories) (78 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-20)
Adzousa what makes you think I am not qualified to make such statements on beliefs? You don't know me, my spiritual background, nothing!

I am here offering help on what I know like everyone else.

Javelina, huh? "joe" trying to break up with someone...hahaha... If that be true why would he spook himself out? If that be true and he is one of those drama queen types, then the OP has a jerk to be dealt with. Nevertheless we can all learn from this!
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-20)
Oh excuse me! It seems you and I were posting simultaneously. I certainly wouldn't want to leave you out!

Vidya_amani,
You are an even bigger idiot.

Jav
Moongrim (2 stories) (871 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
One thing I've noticed from EVERY religious nutter out there- Thier God/Goddess can do it, and none other can.

Despite all evidence to the contrary.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-20)
Now that all has gone completely out of control, I must say... Joe sure does take the long way around when trying to break up with someone.

Sanjeevgeorge,
You sir, are an idiot.

Jav
adsouza (guest)
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
sanjeevgeorge and vidyaamani: I usually stay away from making statements on religion and beliefs, and I suggest you both do the same. There are people here who are way more qualified than all of us put together in terms of understanding of religion and spirituality.

The OP has a problem and needs a solution. Let's keep this forum for that sole purpose only. And as for the present discussion, please feel free to visit my profile, either drop me an email or comment on my thread.
vidya_amani (2 stories) (78 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
Sanjee as far as I know Westerners are more religious than spiritual, they say they believe in God but have no living experience with the Spirit world. LOL πŸ˜†

As for the author of this story, did only your boyfriend saw this as I believe this was a vision only he could see or did you see it as well?

If this is just a "vision" and not a haunting in the strongest sense you should figure out the "message" since something is clearly trying to tell your boyfriend something to tell others as well.

I can't help but to think that so many Western churches are built and vested within freemasonry powers (hence the goat head vision symbol) to conceal the true nature of spirituality and enlightenment from the rest of the world, that only a few could have the knowledge about spirits and that if they can put into the heads of ignorant souls that things like demons and ghosts don't exist, that they won't suspect for one second a government run by demon infested rulers, nor would they question religious indoctrination as a thing of demonically induced illusion to keep people obedient and blind to an empty spiritual life
... I have no eyebrows for church goers, prudent ignorant bastards who curse people who see right through their lies - they who say they believe in God but hate and are intolerant of anything truly spiritual... The "dead bodies" could be symbols of such people going to church, and how they look like within them in their souls, "dead" because they are not getting any real soul nourishment in such "churches" where man plays "god" and indoctrinate people with all sorts of "nonsense" to look down upon people who actually see spirits and angels, calling them demons and witches just because they have a deeper and more "alive" relationship with God. Due to their ignorance they sell their souls to the Devil without even knowing it abiding to their perverted religious laws spewing hate and intolerance wherever they can, just to look "superior" to others in every regard... The church is stealing their souls, and now they wonder why their lives lack any magic... Because they don't really know a thing about God, although they can pretend and fool the masses and get away with it effortlessly. Your "house" could be symbolic of the "church" they keep on piling up dead bodies and deadening souls with their lies each day, therefore I stay far away from any sorts of organized religion wherever possible, since they are the true demonic forces at work in society!

If your boyfriend is not on drugs, then you should consider whether he is capable to have such spiritual visions.

😜
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3329 posts) mod
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12 years ago (2012-03-20)
sanjeevgeorge: I don't know where you got that tid bit of misinformation... Here in the States, "In God We Trust" is written on money, government buildings, courthouses, etc.; our Pledge of Allegiance states "One nation under God"...We are however, all for freedom of religion and the the right to practice your religion without persecution... We don't believe that just because one happens to be born in a certain area they should be forced into the beliefs/religion of that area...

Do your homework before making a statement like that in the future 😊
sanjeevgeorge (guest)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-20)
Good you read Psalm 91. Usually westerners do not like to accept belief in God and religion, do they?

Only God can drive demons out
Akakyoak (2 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-19)
I will not pretend to be an expert, but I think you may have done something to anger it. Spirts can be upset- and depending on their personalities- than can get upset easily. Perhaps it just wants something from you guys. Best of luck!
adsouza (guest)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-19)
Kantonelli,
I am not much of an expert to be honest, but I know one thing - if someone reacts to your actions, it means you are effective. Its easier said than done, but don't stop your efforts to kick this piece of crap out of your house.
Rook's cleansing method is effective. Granny's advice is sound.
All I can add is - All the very best!
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-19)
As mentioned below, beware of those claiming to be in the "know" with contact info. Sounds like this "Michael" you've been in contact with- and who posted in your first thread- is a good example of why.
Sorry, but no one can diagnose and cure the symptoms you have described, after just reading of your problem.
I hate to sound selfish here... But you're young. No matter what is happening, be it paranormal or mental health- you really should just remove yourself from the situation. The "worst case" possibilities are endless for you. Should things improve, and your relationship takes a natural turn towards having a family- you do not want to expose little ones to something that can lay dorment and rise again with the stress that comes with starting a family.
RainLilly (36 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-18)
Kantonelli, you have a lot going on, and no easy solution.
In your first account, you indicate that Joe did not want to see a medical professional in order to rule out a medical cause. In this account, Joe is unwilling to have the house blessed. It seems that he doesn't want help. No matter how hard you try, no matter what you do, it is futile until Joe chooses to accept help and be proactive about this situation.
Since you are limited in what you can do for him, you have to help yourself right now. The first thing to do is to stop staying over at Joe's. You don't feel safe there, so limit your time there to short visits. Don't spend the night and leave yourself feeling vulnerable. Pop in for dinner and go home. Explain to Joe why you are limiting your time at his house. It may be what it takes to get him to want help.
Also, try to control your fear. You have no proof anything demonic is going on. You don't know what is going on. Since Joe is unwilling to have a doctor check him out, this may be nothing more than a sleep disorder scaring him, scaring you, then power of suggestion takes over, scares the both of you even more, then you get other friends involved...
Seriously, I'm not trying to dismiss your fears, but suggestion will influence perception. Don't diagnose this as demonic without knowing if it actually is. If it is a medical issue, that needs to be addressed. All the house blessings in the world won't help a non-paranormal issue. Determine what is really happening, and act accordingly.
Now, I mean no disrespect to anyone, but be very cautious about what advice you do follow. Question everything. If someone insists on giving private answers to public questions, ask yourself why. These private emails you mentioned...well, I've never heard of a Witch's Sabbath. What is this Sabbath, and why does it "make sense" for this situation? Does Joe observe this Sabbath? Has he participated in any rites celebrating this Sabbath? How does this Sabbath relate to Joe on a personal level? What is the connection? Don't just accept something, ask yourself if it truly fits.
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3329 posts) mod
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12 years ago (2012-03-18)
kantonelli: First of all, y'all need to calm down...It's like when someone goes to a hospital with symptoms that may be present in several illnesses; doctors don't rush to the first treatment and 24hours later try something else... You need to calmly diagnose what's going on in order to come to the proper cause and treatment...

That being said, your boyfriend should have a complete physical and mental evaluation... Only after all the "mundane" causes have been ruled out should one jump on the D-word bandwagon...

Please, try Rook's cleansing method, even if you have to do it without your boyfriend present... Get on the phone and line up some appointments with doctors...

Please understand, I'm not trying to dismiss your problems as non-paranormal...I just think you may need help other than what the members of a ghost story site have to offer...
supernaturalservices (86 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-18)
look up the paranormal clergy or unicorn cove school of metaphysics. Like I said I am willing to help, just contact me via pm
rookdygin (24 stories) (4458 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-18)
dmcal,

Please feel free to answer my question here...

Http://www.yourghoststories.com/real-ghost-story.php?story=5020

As I do not wish to detract from any help the O/P may receive here on their thread.

Respectfully,

Rook
rookdygin (24 stories) (4458 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-18)
dmcal,

Is there a reason we should 'fear' our Heavenly Father? I've read the scriptures and while He has a temper the overall message is to love thy neighbor as He Loves us. Is there a reason we should fear a Loved one?

I ask becasue if 'fear' is what is keeping me around then it's a BAD situation... A situation that I do not want to be in.

Respectfully,

Rook
dmcal (21 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-18)
Hello again,

Sorry about that, part of my previous post did not get included for some reason. If you would like to know what is really going on, then let me know where I can e-mail you and I would be happy to talk to you about it. I can't do it here because too many people get offended. Just let me know.

Don-
dmcal (21 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-18)
Hi Kantonelli3,

You said:
"Joes house now smells like white vinager because there are bowls of that and sea salt all over the house. I have blessed his home my home and myself. Also I tried reading psalms 91 and 71 every night before bed. Nothing changed."

First of all, do not expect anything to change while you are mixing pagan rituals with the word of God? And second, you said that Mike tried to drive it out in the name of Jesus, but are you true God fearing, Christ believing Christians? Go read Acts 19:14 and see what happened to seven brothers who did not belong to Christ and were going around trying to drive out demons. And demons are exactly what you are dealing with.
supernaturalservices (86 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-18)
seems like you need serious help. Is Joe aware something is wrong? Please contact me. The previous solutions I offered work at earlier stages of infestation. This seems more like possession. I can help or point you in the right direction. I can help.
rookdygin (24 stories) (4458 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-18)
kantonelli3,

Question...When things are at their most active is 'Mike' at home? I ask because of this statement from you...

"Mike left and everything was fine. The house felt calm and normal."

If 'Mike' is around when things are at their most active then my first 'gut impression' stands concerning Joe, he is a Medium and is channeling while asleep. He his also correct... A house Blessing will not 'remove' a spirit that has attached itself to an individual... That takes other steps.

Please attempt the method I have suggested, and re-posted below. If Mike becomes uncomfortable entering the house then you know it's something that has attached to him, something he may not even know about and that 'something' is using Joe's ability as a Medium to manifest.

Recipe for a Home Cleansing/Shielding... (allow for two or 3 days to complete)

Day one: Open all curtains window and doors with screens installed, let fresh air and sunshine into the home. Have all closets, cabinets and other 'dark spaces' open so that as much natural light as possible can enter those spaces. After 2-3 hours take a broom and 'sweep' out each room (this is symbolic and you do not have to really sweep) focus your thoughts on sweeping (pushing) out all negative energies / entities /thoughts. Close home up after completing each room of your home... Please do not forget your garage if you have one. (Optional) Light incense (sandalwood or Dragons-blood works well for me) and let aroma fill the home, and/or play a tape that contains your favorite Church/Positive, Upbeat (songs that give you good thoughts) songs before you begin sweeping.

Day two (or three): Once again open all curtains, windows and doors. Take a White candle (Optional) to the center most point of the home, sit on the floor and place candle in front of you. Light the candle (visualize a white ball of light) and then focus on the flame... Visualize the flame (white light) filled with positive thoughts, energy. (Say a prayer at this time if you so desire... Ask for cleansing positive energy to fill the candles flame/white light). Hold this 'image' in your mind and then visualize the flame (light) slowly expanding outward, visualize it filling the room your in, every corner and 'dark space'. Continue to visualize it expanding...it's outer edges pushing away (burning away) any and all negative energies/entities out and away from each room in your home. Once you have visualized this flame (light) filling your entire home, picture it expanding to your property lines. Hold this image in your mind for a few moments then visualize 'anchoring' this flame (light) where you are sitting which is the center most point of your home. Once you have done this. Take a deep breath, relax a few moments and then blow out the candle. (If you didn't use a candle just let yourself relax a moment or two.) "

Now you can create a shield for yourself using the 'home shield' technique but instead of focusing on your home visualize the 'flame' simply surrounding you instead of your home... Best time to do this is after a nice shower using a rosemary scented soap (rosemary is good for purification and protection.)

Another thing... Just which Sabbath is your e-mail pen pal speaking of? While the Spring Equinox is near (Mar 20th) I'm not sure which 'Witches Sabbath' he may be referring to and I'm a Re-formed Witch myself. Speaking of which (witch?) 😲 In all my years of Practicing, I never once offered prayer nor praise to a 'goat headed man in black robes with orange eyes... While it is possible a negative spirit/entity has chosen that appearance to increase the fear and negative energy in the household I have REAL DOUBTS to it being something truly demonic.

Thank you for the updates and please keep them coming.

Respectfully,

Rook
kantonelli3 (2 stories) (7 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-17)
He doesn't feel it will but I am starting to think he may be being manipulated by whatever it is, but your are right and I did just that. Like I said in my last post I've bless my home, his home, and myself.
xristougenna (6 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-17)
My girlfriend says to something trace her but she calls it djinns not demon
lynrinth (guest)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-17)
Well, even when you stated Joe didn't want the house blessed, saying it wouldn't leave, perphaps it's time to do EXACTLY something like that. At this point, I'd think he'd be desparate for anything that might work.
kantonelli3 (2 stories) (7 posts)
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12 years ago (2012-03-17)
Thank you for keeping up to date with my experience. I really am at a loss right now. Michael (who commented on my first story) and I have been emailing back and forth and we believe this has somthing to do with the witches sabboth. Makes sense with what mike described. I didn't know what that was until Michael told me about it. Joes house now smells like white vinager because there are bowls of that and sea salt all over the house. I have blessed his home my home and myself. Also I tried reading psalms 91 and 71 every night before bed. Nothing changed. No I end up laying there praying for 1-4 am. That seems to keep everything calmish... Joe doesn't talk when I pray. He will start to say a word so I will start praying and he will instantly cut of the word and start grinding his teeth. Its not a normal grinding tho. Its like someone eatting a lollypop really nastily mixed with a cow chewing and grinding side to side. When I finish my prayer he will start to speak so I start again and it's back to the grinding. I don;t know what to do. Michael and I believe we figured out that it is because there is a demon called se' irim and Azazel that both ahve goat heads and the sabboth thing they have on a black covering which fits Mikes discription of what he saw. Any suggestions because we still don't know who to get rid of it.
dayala_819 (1 stories) (36 posts)
 
12 years ago (2012-03-17)
I am really sorry to hear that things got worse😒. At first I thought that your boyfriend might have had a gift or something. But now I truly believe that he may be haunted by something evil. I suggest you talking to a priest, pastor, or whom ever is head or your church (if you attend one) and just ask him for advice... I really do wish you and Joe lots of luck!

-dani ❀

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