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Zeo (15 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
Hi Chels,

I liked this post, just because I had a friend in high school that claimed something similar.

His name was Aaron, and he told me he had a relationship with a female "entity" named Mana. Of course I was skeptical about his claims at first, but that soon grew into what is now a "maybe he is, maybe he isn't, either way... I can't explain that stuff that happened back then..."~ during those days, things happened around him that I, nor our other friends could explain. Chairs next to him seemed to move on their own, among many other things. Anyhow, to this day, he still claims he is in this relationship, and he has had no "real life" (living) relationship to my knowledge. He claims to be inlove with her, and the world could not get any better for him because of that fact.

If you are happy with your situation, I'd say enjoy it. But always remain very cautious, and remember to seek help and advice from anyone you can should things turn nasty.
Hoochler (1 stories) (263 posts)
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5 years ago (2012-09-09)
Sergeant,

Your pendulum advice has nothing to do with this conversation. Besides the pendulum has already become a very, very small part of my life on its own. On the rare occasion I do use the pendulum, I test the spirit if it comes from God before I talk to it for at most 5 minutes every other month. I found out later that the Bible even talks about that.

1John 4
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that[a] Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

Sergeant asked:
"A question. If she is truly an evil demonic thing then why was the omnipotent power of Christ ineffective against her? Why was your djinn equally ineffective?"

Christ's power is not the issue here, nor that of any spirits. This is a lesson I have learned the hard way, through direct experience. Your addiction to p0rn, that later transferred to its true source (your lust demon) once she manifested, is a form of invitation. A very strong form of invitation.

God's greatest gift to us all is our free will and the consequences that go along with excercising that free will (except where He gives Grace). You never truly wanted to quit your p0rn or your demon, so God respected that by not interfering. You would TRULY, deep down, need to have a true desire to give up those things if prayer is to work. Also, this would require a lot of willpower on your part, and if you are honest with yourself you will realize that is something you have not shown a lot of in regards to your old p0rn problem and and now your lust demon problem. Once you were to want to give up your demon and you took the right steps to get rid of her, then I think after a due season Jesus would eventually deliver you.

As for any other spirit, even powerful spirits, getting rid of another spirit's attachment to a willing person is not something that works. The person's free always trumps in these circumstances in the long run. In fact, I have learned it usually ends in disaster to interfere with a desired spiritual attachment, demonic or otherwise. My daughter almost lost her life as I learned this lesson and I will never forget it. The Bible even talks about this.

Matthew 12
An Unclean Spirit Returns
43 "When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. 44 Then he says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.' And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order. 45 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation."

Sergeant also asked:
"Could it be that she is not evil but a positive helper and so protected from expulsion? If you pray for an Angellic helper will they be removed?"

Positive helpers do not do what your creature is doing in your life and marriage. Like I just answered above, I have come to learn that outside parties are almost powerless to interfere with DESIRED spiritual attachments.

Also, even though you are not procreating with your creature, the Bible describes what happened when angels (God's helpers) were having sex with mankind and He put a big stop to that with Noah's flood. I am quite confident that you are not hooked up with one of God's helpers, since that is not alowed.

The Wickedness and Judgment of Man
6 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

I am not trying to stop you having whatever spiritual attachments that you want, you were created to live your life the way that you choose and experience whatever consequences come from that just as we all were.

What I object to, and will continue to object to, is you saying that your creature never did anything wrong (evil) when I know, FROM YOUR OWN WORDS and not a pendulum, that it did.

I also don't like people being whisked off to demon forums, so I do the only thing I know that can interdict this trend and that is to warn others (not just the OP, but also anyone else reading this at anytime in the future as well) by telling what I know. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

I stand by all that I have written here and in my previous post. All the bulleted items, I remember reading them after you wrote them (which, admittedly, was over three years ago).
Sergeant (3 stories) (98 posts)
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5 years ago (2012-09-09)
[at] Hoochler:

I strongly suggest you abandon the pendulum activity. Would you operate a Ouja board and post the results here as coming from messengers of God? I think not because you don't know who or what is behind the messages, and you can open a pathway for other things to enter your life.

I am hoping and praying that you stop the practice immediately and rely on prayer instead. Prayer works.

Regarding your bullet points, how can you be positive this is my spiritual mate other than your blanket label of "evil". I am quite sure it is the result of the pendulum use.
How can I be so sure?
Despite Javelina's nausia, She's been with me my entire life and this communication/activity is contrary to her character.

Let me ask you something, a hypothetical.
Suppose someone had been helping you along your life in positive and protective ways but it was not yet time to introduce themself. To do so would disrupt your normal humanly progression of life.

Then the time arrives, the introduction is made and you recognize this person as someone you've always known. She continues to be a positive aspect of your life... And then some in so many ways.

She happens to have an aspect about her which does not fit the normal social norms. Suppose she is a different race (skin color) as yours and people confront you claiming the fact makes your union evil and against nature. Even worse, they don't even cosnsider your mate a full "human"
This was true at one time in the United States, and continue to be true in some other countries and cultures.

Out of nieve, you let a look-alike into your home because you opened the door for him/her and said a lot of things which were out of character of the original. A few other complete strangers representing the social status told you she was an evil dangerous demon based on hear-say and vague beliefs.

Would you believe the double and the strangers which is contrary to the character which have always proven to be opposite? Would you cast your loving partner away based on their opinions or consider all things in past and current history?

You wrote:

*The spirit with you said she was sent to dissolve your marriage (of 17 years).
-Wrong on both accounts. In fact I made steps to ensure this would -not- happen based on unfounded externally fueld fears. She had not been "sent" by anyone nor had I ever made the claim.

* The spirit with you said she was sent to replace your wife (who you loved then, don't know now).
-Wrong. She never claimed to have been "sent" by anyone nor had I ever made the claim.

* (Sexual language remove) You were only too happy to concede on this point until my pleading with you to not allow it.
-Wrong. Bad character assasination. The suggestion came from a pendulum or extremely faulty telepathy from an unknown source which I rejected.

* The spirit with you said that it was "hiding behind" the p0rnography that you looked at for years (decades). That she was somehow fueling your p0rn problem that you sought help over more than once.
-Partially true.
She couldn't reveal herself as a sentient being or I'd have certainly chose her over the natural human progression of life. You twist this as evil. I disagree.
I sought help in the early 1980's not because it was causing problems, but because my UMC pastor claimed it was associated with an evil being of lust. He was wrong.

* You told me repeatedly that the spirit with you openly proclaimed that it was "re-wiring your brain" and you welcomed this. Subversion of free will is a very evil act.
-Spirits do not re-wire brains. If you have specific examples of this I'd like to see them. What I did welcome, and still do is to find ways to enhance our relationship. If a loved one suggests you spend time with them is this a free will subversion, evil act? How about holding hands in a compassionate sort of communication?

A question.
If she is truly an evil demonic thing then why was the omnipotent power of Christ ineffective against her? Why was your djinn equally ineffective?

Could it be that she is not evil but a positive helper and so protected from expulsion? If you pray for an Angellic helper will they be removed?

Again, I strongly suggest you stop using your pendulum for reasons already mentioned and rely on prayer. You expressed the practice of reading the Bible. Since you enjoy and find it helpful and obtain peace within your life, I also suggest you embrace the FULL message instead of picking and choosing parts you like.

I also strongly suggest you get rid of your djinn sisters in what ever way is appropriate. There are quite a few people who believe they, too are evil beings.

And please stop misquoting.
Locrian (guest)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
[at] Javelina
I never said that I was going to post my evps or video on YGS or anywhere else for that matter. Where did you ever get that impression in the first place?
It was for my own private investigation to find out what was happening in my home at night.

[at] Aussie
I don't know who's post you are reading; I never said that I was in a happy relationship with a sex being, I have been a victim and I don't support anyone who encourages this kind of thing. You both need to read post and comments more closely.
Hoochler (1 stories) (263 posts)
+1
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
Sergeant,

I am sorry to hear you had a heart attack, I am glad you are OK now.

I barely use the pendulum anymore, maybe once every other month. Almost all of my spiritual contact now is prayer.

The long explanation you just made about the past where it involves me is not entirely true, but it is at partially true. This long explanation of the past is also irrelevant to the discussion at hand and is an attempt to swerve the conversation away from the topic you brought up earlier on this thread that the spirit with you is not evil. Let's get back on topic.

You told me that the spirit with you now said some things to you when she first got there.

* The spirit with you said she was sent to dissolve your marriage (of 17 years).

* The spirit with you said she was sent to replace your wife (who you loved then, don't know now).

* The spirit with you said that she wanted to "dry up your wife's pu**y" (i.e. Send her into early menopause) to make it easier for you to be with her. That way your wife would not bother you for sex and the spirit would have you all to herself. You were only too happy to concede on this point until my pleading with you to not allow it.

* The spirit with you said that it was "hiding behind" the p0rnography that you looked at for years (decades). That she was somehow fueling your p0rn problem that you sought help over more than once.

* You told me repeatedly that the spirit with you openly proclaimed that it was "re-wiring your brain" and you welcomed this. Subversion of free will is a very evil act.

These are NOT good acts, these acts are evil. I did not divine these bullet points, you told me all this stuff yourself in plain, written English.

I also know for a fact that this spirit has caused problems for your marriage because you told me that as well. In fact, "Sergeant" is not even your first YGS account name. You had to abandon your first YGS ID because your wife found out about it and there was a lot of descriptions in your old YGS account of your sex spirit.

What you do is your own deal Sergeant and it appears as if you have made your decision. What makes me sick to my stomach is you coming here and saying things like...

Sergeant said:
"She's never, once shown any sign of evil and have always been a very positive force and uplifting influence in my life."

The statement above is not true, and I have listed the reasons why I think this. Now others can judge for themselves of your creature is evil.
Cloudaotic (7 posts)
+1
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
Sometimes I regret not skipping these "Sexual Ghosts" stories, especially when the author is a female teenager, and won't participate in comments. Nevertheless, let's just assume you are as you say telling the truth and not seeking attention. Look, no offence, but how can you possibly keep up a relationship with a ghost? As a lot of people said, surely there is one single alive person who is suited to you. Don't encourage this ghost if Bob really does exist. This just reminds me of some old rapist trying to lure a young girl. Have fun reading all the conradicting comments in the next few days to come~ ❤
SearcherSeeker (11 posts)
+4
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
Whew! Things sure do move fast around here! I was going to not even read any more about these sex spirits but when I thought about my son, who started college this week, I felt it is important to be aware of what is going on with these beings, since it does seem like there is almost a recruitment going on by some of them.

Whether they are demons or just human spirits who have passed, they are PREDATORS. Even Sergeant, who seems to have moved on to a place of acceptance of his Being, seems to have done that only after what seems like exhaustive measures to get rid of it. Doesn't that tell you something right there? If this thing cared about his best interest, wouldn't it leave him alone out of respect for his wishes regardless of its own feelings?

Also, as predators, my guess is that the similarities in the stories as to secrecy, lack of evidence, etc stem from the fact there are similarities with the way these predators demand secrecy. If you think for a moment about human criminals who stalk or abuse victims, many of them employ things like threats (I will kill or hurt you or your friend, family) or by blackmail - "if you show evidence of me I will make sure everyone finds out about _____". Perhaps this is why it seems in many stories the Beings are around for a while before the actual abuse starts. They first find some "dirt" or embarrassing facts about the victim.

I don't know, but I feel the key for us to get evidence is to first understand all we can about how they work in each situation.

I was so angry with Sergeant sort of promoting this type of thing but when you learn all he went through it seems obvious he just felt defeated and went with the "if you can't beat'em, join'em" thing. I can understand how that can happen to someone who has been systematically beaten and worn down. It is very sad and scary and I think no matter how unpleasant this topic is, those of us who really care need to do everything within our power to figure this whole thing out. I will shut up now. Sorry this was long.
Wiz (23 posts)
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5 years ago (2012-09-09)
Interesting story and interesting comments. Its your life chels8888 and if you are happy with your 'relationship' who are we to judge. I can understand that not everyone agrees with your post that's the freedom of choice we have but it is a topic that is thought provoking. Good luck with whatever you decide to do and thanks for the story. Wiz
Lakota73 (5 stories) (108 posts)
+1
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
Well said Jav,

Their point of view seems quite disturbing...

Lakota73
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
Sergeant,

All that is very convincing if you are not aware of any previous comments made on this thread.
You done yet? My but you and the boys are so long winded! Be it rain or shine, you all do love to hear yourselves go on and on, and on...
It doesn't change the fact that just a few hours ago, you, and Scbsd both, came over to save the poor child who penned this drama, from our grasp.
As if you had no care in the world. She may be of legal age dear, but she is hardly a grown woman. And boy oh boy! You both whipped over as quickly as possible to offer her some solace and comfort. Keep her safe from all the big bad meanies over here. And muttering the same old preamble you all use to make it seem like you really do care for this child.

"In the end, I think it's up to the individual to decide for themself whether to continue with this or not. It is up to the individual to judge for themselves whether the advice people give them actually fit their own experiences or not"

Is that your Karma come back? Your "slip this one under the fence so no one will notice" Christian charity at work there Sergeant? Because immediately following that you handed out the obligatory promissory note with the link to another web site.

This of course brought Scbsd to attention as well. He realizes he may have missed in the timing of his appearance and gets his link up ASAP.

"Whew!"

I don't know how you guys can keep up with the hustle involved when it comes to snagging up these fresh young things. But I promise you this, if I knew this child or her parents, I'd be with them when they came looking for you. A bunch of middle aged men, competing for a child of 18 years.

Get back to church Sergeant, and start paying attention to the Golden Rule. None of this speech you gave means squat after all of that, I promise you that!

Jav
Sergeant (3 stories) (98 posts)
-2
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
To be absolutely correct and deflect more unjust accusations, I was saved in Christ 1982-83 not 1993.
Sergeant (3 stories) (98 posts)
-4
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
[at] Hoochler:

As you already know, I was initially communicating by pendulum in 2008. Sometime 2009 she asked me to stop the practice because it is unsecure and dangerous. It can open doors, anything can present itself as anyone very similar to people's experience with using Ouija. I destroyed my pendulum right away after her strong and urgent suggestion and have not used it since.

May I ask if you are still extracting messages from a pendulum? Possibly the same one you constructed in 2008? If so I strongly suggest you stop for the same reasons. You can't be sure who or what you're communicating with.

You are aware in the early stages of telepathy- even those who are well practiced can misinterpret communication. I don't know of anyone who is positive about it at first.

You should take all things into consideration before you accuse someone of lying and deception. Between the dangers of the pendulum and the inconsistency of telepathy, it is not known where suggestions were originating. The suggestion to cause menopause in my wife is not consistent with her personality or her disposition.
If I receive an email addressed from you tomorrow offering to do some horrible deed, I would know it is not of your demeanor and surely know it is not from you. This is no different.

If you recall, the only reason I accepted your "help" in 2009 was because of my temporary gullibility to your authority.

You claimed the magic ability to "rid" me of your perceived affliction whether I capitulated or not by means of your 5 "powerful djinn sisters" which you had recently aquired. I can't count the times you boasted about their ultimate combined power.

I admit surprise when you found my exact neighborhood by means of magic... Even within a few houses within the city I live. Then you sent your 5 djinn to do your bidding but what happened? They were not able to locate my spiritual mate.
You sent them how many times? 4 times? 5 times? Yet they were utterly ineffective against her. Why? Perhaps it is related to my experience regarding her in the Church, discussed further down.

Then to my astonishment you offered to enlist a 3rd party to send his/her's "dark forces" to do the job. The last thing I wanted was some evil thing hanging around. It seemed this task became your personal obsession and frankly, your suggestion really scared me.

The effort, lead by you was causing extreme distress in the people I love, even causing signs of despair. I strongly believed your obsession would not stop so I told you she had left. It was the only thing I could consider to stop the fiasco.

Yes, I am Christian. Jesus is Lord and my personal savior. I read the KJV Bible, mainly the New Testament and am connected to the Holy Catholic Church.

I gave my life to Christ and was born again with His blood back in 1993. I was more active than most, attending 2-3 Bible studies a week, worship in the United Methodist Church 2-3 times a week. I visited the local prison and an orphanage in His name and people always loved the visitations. If I were not working or eating I was reading His word. It was my exclusive passion. Nothing in my life mattered other than His word.

My pastor believed I was hounded by an "evil sex demon of lust". I took his word as gospel truth and spent the next 5 years tennatiously trying to expell the being by all means of the Church through Christ.

Just like your 5 djinn, this sentient being remained utterly uneffected. God is omnipotent. Period. Because of this, at the time I could only come to one of two logical conclusions. Either she was a good positive influence in my life... A type of guardian Angel... Or a figment of my pastor's (and my own) imagination. After all, I had never considered the possibility of sex with spirits/angels/beings. I assumed it was vivid imagination.

I was, and remain absolutely positive there is no evil attachments in my life thorugh the protection of Christ and the Angels sent to protect me.

So yes, If I were facing Christ today I would not be ashamed of my choices. He is already aware of the imperfect choices I've made (and everyone else makes) during the course of life. He already knows we are sometimes faced to make imperfect choices based on imperfect knowldedge or understanding. He paid the price of sin on the cross for those who accept him.

You don't need to lecture me on death.
I had a heart attack in 2011. As it was occuring and during the physical pain it caused, I was contented with the life I've lived.
Later I became semi-conscious for a short time and was comforted by... Guess who? I had an idea what was physically happening with me yet I had an extremely peaceful mind because she let me know it was not my time to leave.

You can insist all intimate beings are evil demons based on the information you're getting from what ever spirits you are in contact with through the type (s) of medium you use to contact them with. You can even present yourself as some sort of Biblical/Godly authority here. I don't mind.

But regarding accusing someone of lying and deception, and another's evil roots perhaps you might consider Matthew's testament on the Mount:

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

I understand you've found peace and God has truly blessed your life. Mine is tantamount. Unless challenged, I choose to keep the details of my faith to myself rather than meliority and casting judgement with doubt on another's based on personal belief which is naturally and humanly prone to fault.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+1
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
Aussie,
In each of these people there is loneliness. You hear it when you read their words. None of them have really said anything much different than the other guy before and after them. It's repetitious, almost like a hypnotized person would act. Not much emotion until they get insulted. Then it's righteous indignation with hellfire and brimstone bringing up the rear.
The only emotion I seem to get out of them is when I finally piss them off. Before that it is just a monotone sort of sound that I pick up. No real emotion in there.

Jav
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
+1
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
[at] Locrian, I made it very clear that the author herself was a victim and shouldn't feel no shame about her thoughts and feelings on these predators, it's not her fault or the fault of 1000's of young women around the world who have these predators walk in uninvited taking sexual pleasure... I have however, due to a friend's friend, who lost his life through having a relationship with one of these beings. Made a moral decision to make people aware especially young women that these sex spirits are no good... Some of us here are parents and if you respect your parents, take my word for it they would conform to the same view as me and a few others around here about what goes on at night behind closed doors to their baby's and when your a mother you will understand better where I'm coming from... These spirits are sexual predators and making you feel lonely is exactly what they want and as the author pointed out here it shut down her computer so she couldn't talk to her friends because it didn't like the word (no)... Your journey, which ever path you take, shouldn't include one of these sexual mongrels... It is against them and them only that some of the members here are taking a stand... I truly hope you and the author can see through the tricks, because you are both putting yourself in emotional danger and risking isolation from society by believing these types of relationships are happy and somehow are normal ones... I truly wish you both well and hope you'll consider what I'm saying!
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
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5 years ago (2012-09-09)
[at] Locrian,
Whatever dude!
When you decided to go, at that moment in time? Yeah, it looked like you were doing the same as all the others, as soon as it was put up or shut up time...
WHOOOSH!
You could have lived up to your own hype for at least a day or two, but no. Adios!
All you people left in your wake were, what sounded to me like, excuses. So, am I wrong? We are no where closer than before, and we really didn't expect much anyway. We gave it a shot though. Only to find out who really does walk the walk, and who simply talks the talk. Not so surprising to us, but we did try. Failed miserably when all of you jumped ship.
So what?
It was a chance to bring some closure, maybe some peace, something, anything.
But it got very quiet, very fast. And all the talk of finding evidence, maybe ironing out some stuff, just TALKING, went with you guys.

Cry me a river Locrian...

Jav
🤔
Locrian (guest)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
First of all I am very disappointed in those here who have judged and critized me; I thought YGS (Members) were different. I came to this site to share a very real and ongoing experience. When I decided to try and get back to a normal life before all this happened; did I get any support? No instead I get raked over the coals. Now the rest of this comment is for the O.P. It is not my place to tell you how to live your life; only that I understand that you might be very lonely. All I can offer is advice and that is to proceed with caution.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-09)
Okay, I can see much of this as common sense too. Mom always said not to go near strangers, or take rides in any cars. But how many said for you not to worry about the monster under the bed? Really, it is pretty scary when you consider that a lot of children have been conditioned not to bother the adults with this foolishness, or that weird noise.
"No one is touching you because there is no one there"
Very hard to ignore something only you know is there. No where to run, or hide.
This will go away at some point, like all other old ways do, but until then, who's going to believe these kids?

Jav
Jesus_soldier (3 stories) (416 posts)
+1
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Jav: Haha, Yeah, It is a beautiful thing. I don't believe that 'stealing seed' nonsense either. I actually think that these spirits have plenty of partners while their with these OP's. That could explain why it seems like it's so many of them.

I didn't know anything about incubus/succubus until a couple years ago, and I wasn't the kind to be in a box either. Aussie and Hoochler have some great info on this subject. I'm loving the way the conversation is going so far.

JS aka Brandon
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Holy crap, do I miss a lot of stuff when I am busy writing my comment, or what?
Between Aussie and Hooch...
Man! I have to sit back and pay better attention here.

Jav

~You two are keeping me completely in awe of you both. 😲
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
JS,

I know what you mean, and to me, some of it comes down to population. We always hear the thing about they don't steal a mans seed to make a woman pregnant, right? With that I am in total agreement. However, if they don't procreate, where did all these new guys come from? Because, I have to admit, I never heard about this kind of stuff when I was younger. And I was no sheltered youth by any stretch of the imagination. There were plain and simple answers to most of these things, and we accepted those. Things weren't all that complicated when it came to this subject. Now, it's a whole load of 'political correctness' on steroids. No matter what you say, someone will be offended.
As you can see, I'm not one for political correctness. And those were the old days when we couldn't talk about this stuff for fear of getting locked into a rubber room somewhere. We can now discuss things in open public forums, behind our aliases of course, but at least the conversation is an ongoing learning experience. Well, at least we are willing to share now. And that's the beauty of this, the conversations and the passing on of what we have learned. We ask questions, and people step up with advice and opinion all day long.

Except for...

Jav
Hoochler (1 stories) (263 posts)
+3
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
At Sergeant,

You said some interesting things.

Sergeant said:
"...in mid 2008 and we've been working on a healthy relationship ever since."

"She's never, once shown any sign of evil and have always been a very positive force and uplifting influence in my life."

Why are you saying this? Have you forgotten what your creature said to you when it first came to you or are you simply lying?!

I respect your privacy dude, but if you keep publicly lying like this, I will post what it is that your creature said about your wife, marriage and it's mission to be with you, and these things were MOST definitely evil.

I don't know what the nature of the creature with the OP is, but it sounds like she has made her mind up. That is what free will is for I suppose. I just don't want innocents who may be reading to be influenced by your blatant lies.

Sergeant, the creature with you is UNDENIABLY evil. Instead of telling us all over and over again that your creature is not evil, please tell us instead what exactly it is that your creature told you of what her mission was with you and what she wanted to do to your wife (before I convinced you to say no to the creature and not allow it to proceed against your wife) and let everyone decide for themselves if they are hearing about an evil being or not.

You call yourself Christian (at least you used to). If Jesus were flesh again and in your house visiting you, would you cavort with your creature in front of Him? Would you tell him all the things you tell YGS about your creature? Would you be proud of what she has done to your marriage with your earthly wife?

I think not.
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
+1
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
[at] Jav, I believe there are as many as 9 realms in the after life including this one... The astral realm, basically the one close's to ours is where all these accounts play out in one way or the other, my belief in 90 percent of these stories, it's coming from with in the mind of the O/P but played out on the astral plane transcending sexual feelings during the act that gives the impression of a separate entity whilst all the time other sub conscious factors were really the driving force... On 10 percent of accounts there are spirits who as I said previously are basically scum... Who know how to interact and deceive people into believing it's something else and often these spirits have learnt a few tricks that intensify the ordeal to where the person commits too them with mind and body because of how good it feels... These spirits are trapped in this realm and can not move onto the next where most good folk go... Now if some of these sex spirits have been here for 1000's of years and refuse to move on and are tip toeing around in secrecy to preserve there race? Well perhaps they are recruiting new blood?... And those who accept them into their lives just might find themselves turning into one in the after life and have no chance of moving into the light to a better world and more pure soul?
Jesus_soldier (3 stories) (416 posts)
+1
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Jav: If they went around saying, "I'm a demon sent by the dragon of many names. My goal is to seperate you from God, and weaken your spirit to the point you self-destruct". It would be all bad. When it comes to this buisness, things are ran differently. I'm not saying every haunting is a sex demon, but...it's a lot to me. I like different ideals thrown out though.

JS aka Brandon
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Aussie,
I realize that these are some pretty frightening thoughts, but I have to say that I do think there is more of that going around than having all of these experiences belonging to only one sort of entity. It cannot be possible to have this many posters being wooed by what some call sex demons. I mean, if there were that many to go around, wouldn't they been open about their position in a persons life? I just can't see the secrecy involved around this as being some sort of 'rule'. It makes no sense. Word of mouth is usually the best way to get a business up and running. Not the run and hide tactics being displayed around here. If there were this many actual succubbi/incubi running around out there, they be part of a regular society by now. Plus, they would not be getting friendly with so many folks if they really were concerned about their privacy and security. There's no way you could keep this many quiet for this long a time. Humans are a sharing and boastful bunch. Especially when it's true...

Jav
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
+1
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
[at] Jav, That's what I believe it is, the astral realm is the close's one to ours and the one that we can project ourselves into, sometimes by not even knowing it, you only have to read the stories here to draw that conclusion... There are people, most likely paedophiles and rapist hiding out in this realm unable to confront their guilt and let go of there sinister deeds and past, this spirit who has attached himself to the author may have had attacked many women in his former life... They hide where ever they can and if they can manipulate young women into believing there in love with them, It gives them some attachment and feelings of years gone by and of coarse a place to hide... And if someone was trying to talk my daughter into joining a website with middle aged men to discuss her account, you and me both would hunt them down.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Shellzy,
I've been searching my memory for any time those questions have been answered and I can't think of a single instance. Not one.

Jav
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
[at] Aussie,
You know, I believe you may have hit on exactly what's going on here! I reread this just now, 3rd time by the way, and it does have a lot of the warning signs that as a parent, you try to keep a watch out for. Five years of hanging about in her room, frustration at her being on the computer (I do believe they can effect the electrical currents in a home), and finally getting into the bed. All those long years of waiting, certainly don't want to blow that apart. This sounds like a human spirit alright. And just like you said, not crossed over. I say that's a guilty conscience right there, afraid to cross for fear of being sent someplace very unpleasant. Been hiding there for who knows how long?

Jav
Jesus_soldier (3 stories) (416 posts)
+8
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
You know how a farmer feeds a hog all the slop (food) it wants, and pats him on the back while saying "good hog... Good hog", weeks before he slaughters the animal? Well, this is what incubus/succubus remind me of... The farmer. Some people think that evil spirits will always reveal themselves as nasty, dirty, etc. Creatures right off the jump, but that's not always the case. If Satan went around giving orders to all his foot soldiers to do that... Then he would be out of buisness quick. He even tried to fat up Jesus when he told him you can have all the kingdoms of the earth and everything in it, if you just bow down and worship me. Evil spirits full a lot of people by being...'lovey dovey' at the beginning.

I like that theory about them being humans though. I remember reading one story 2 or 3 years ago about a guy who said, "If succubus exist?, reveal yourself to me tonight". Well, he got the shock of his life when he saw a 80 something naked woman lying on him.

JS aka Brandon
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Sergeant,
I'm only disagreeable when I don't agree with you?
Okay, good. I'll live with the horrible truth of that, I guess. Just so long as I am coming from a place that only parents have been. That is something I won't change for anyone. I have three beautiful daughters, and if I thought any one of you guys was trying to lure them to a web page that allows the sort of graphic details that you and the others are accustomed to... I imagine I'd be looking to hunt you down. It's just that simple. I believe in keeping my girls safe, you?

Jav

~~Oh yeah... Bite me ❤
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Aussie,
I find this situation puts a very bright focus on some of the things I have always worried about when it comes to these experiences. There was another story recently where the O/P was sure she was dealing with an incubus simply because of the intensity of the physical reaction her body had as she was waking up in the middle of things. That bothered me ever since I read it. It makes me wonder how many of these folks are confusing their nocturnal emissions with and actual entity, you know? Because if you read a lot of the comments on these stories, you see things that repeat themselves. Especially the point point about the intensity of the experience. Anyone who's had a wet dream knows the intensity I speak of.

Jav

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aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
+4
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Well put Jav, Often these young women don't know there victims of a sexual crime and have been seduced into believing it's something else and very special between them and their perpetrator, it's most probable this spirit was a former paedophile and continuing on with his disgusting nature from the astral realm unable to purify he's own spirit and move on through the light, such is the lust of it's own filth...It's not the authors fault, I absolutely don't want her to feel guilty and ashamed of what has happened to her... But I think enough of us older heads know what's really going on here... If your a middle aged man out on his luck, meditating or smoking pot to allow one of these spirits into your life so be it... But even you lot should see how wrong it is when these sexual predators take advantage of young innocent women and potentially wreck there future in regards to starting their own family and functioning in a normal man women relationship!

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Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+1
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Sergeant,

Here are just a couple of the most worn down, repeated ad nauseam, sentences I have read in the responses from your community.

"She's never, once shown any sign of evil and have always been a very positive force and uplifting influence in my life"
(So why the secrecy?)

"The sexual experience is the most intense I have ever felt"
(So is a wet dream, but I don't confuse the two)

"These beings do not suck out your life force or drain you of energy"
(Ahem... If you don't feel drained after the kind of sexual experience you all are claiming to have, then you aren't getting any. Sex drains you, I'm pretty sure it was meant to be that way)

Sorry, but it is the same stuff over and over, nothing new here at all.

Jav 🤔
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+2
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Chels8888,
There are certain signs that are consistent with what you are experiencing, and these are what concern me, and any parent, quite frankly.
Your wrote:

"He told me he wanted sex, and I consented. And since then we've been in a definite relationship. Since then I have received visuals of him (I would rather not discuss it online, because he does not want me to.) "

Looking at this from the outsiders point of view is one thing most of this community of succubus/incubus supporters have forgotten about. This little detail, this tiny little sentence, is where things begin to look foggy. You see, to many of us who are using our common sense when we attempt to respond to something we see or feel may be a harmful influence, that is what makes this situation just like all the rest. They all seem to get that message out in front, much as you have.

~~ 'Don't tell people too much, if anything at all' ~~

The problem is when you don't understand how truly predatory that sounds to those of us with a few years, and much more experience than you. It is something I imagine a pedophile saying to it's victims when they are on their way out. All of the long time posters that claim to have experience with these entities have said basically the same thing. And not a one of them sees anything wrong with it either. I wonder how they would feel if you were their daughter?

As I was saying earlier, I sincerely doubt this is any type of demon, sexual or otherwise. The patience factor would not be there, and the asking for your permission as well. So what it boils down to, in my opinion, is a human spirit. And I believe Aussie has laid out a perfect example as to what it could be. You really have no idea, do you? Trusting the words that come from something that has been in your house, your bedroom, for who knows how long before you ever detected it, is naive at best, and dangerous anyway you look at it.
Sorry, but if you have never even considered these possibilities, perhaps you should now.

Jav
shellzy (8 stories) (218 posts)
+7
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
The thing that sticks out to me in this story and in fact many incubus stories is this "I have recieved visuals of him (I would rather not discuss it online becsuse he doesn't want me too) ".

Why are these 'beings' so secretive? Why do they not want their 'partners' to disclose names, what they look like, what they say? Has anyone with an incbus experience ever answered this question out of interest?

My opinion, anything that controls you so much, anything that you can't see or doesn't want information disclosed can't be trusted.

Just my two cents...
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
+9
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Chels8888, What if you woke up one night and saw a 70 year old man let's call him Bob, touching you in personal places and getting his rocks off? Would you encourage a relationship with this dirty old man or would you scream for the police? Just because you can't see this being doesn't mean his Brad Pitt having an outer body experience and after a deep and meaningful relationship with you... Anyone living or in spirit that roams into a young girls room and starts seducing them, is breaking not only human laws but spiritual laws as well... Despite what you may think Bob looks like, you would probably be up horrid if you saw the true face of this sexual predator... Tell it to P.O.Q and if it shuts your computer down that just demonstrates the selfishness of this creep...BTW, I know I'm being hard here and it's not your fault, but when you take a step back and really look at what's going on here, I think you dad would feel every bit as pissed as I am over your new found love!
Sergeant (3 stories) (98 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Hi Chels8888.

Thanks for posting your account. I know first hand how difficult or impossible it can be to talk about this with any person for fear of sounding insane. Once you tell someone you can't take it back. I think that's why this type of spirit is seldom discussed. People usually keep it to themselves.

I've had a similar spirit as you've described with me at least all of my life. I am 51. She made herself known to be a sentient being in mid 2008 and we've been working on a healthy relationship ever since.

She's never, once shown any sign of evil and have always been a very positive force and uplifting influence in my life.

She had patiently waited to reveal herself and persue a direct relationship until I had already experienced the natural human course of interest, dating, courtship, marriage and family. She knew that if she'd shown herself as a sentient being when I was younger then I would have chosen her over the natural courses of human life.

Had I not experienced these things then it would have been travesty. Something I'd be longing for now. Marriage and family was not something I desired until I was about 30 years old and would never have considered it in my late teens-early 20's.

I am neither "for" someone pursuing this type of relationshp or against it. I think it all depends on the individual, the spirit involved and a few other factors to consider. Factors as I have just mentioned.

In the end, I think it's up to the individual to decide for themself whether to continue with this or not. It is up to the individual to judge for themselves whether the advice people give them actually fit their own experiences or not.

If a person says he/she is inherently evil or "demonic" it may or not necessarily be the case.

For example if someone is experiencing depression, their life is chaos and filled with hopelessness and something is having their way with them then I think evil would be a suitable assessment.

On the other hand if someone has been involved in a loving, positive and uplifting supportive involvement or relationship for a long time, even decades then the hypothesis would not be correct.

One factor you may consider is whether this is right for you at this time in your life or not. Only you can decide it.

This is another place I've found helpful, diverse discussions from others with experience:
Http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22027

If you wonder my own account, it is explained in post #50.

Take care.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+3
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Chels8888,

That's what we thought too. We know little to nothing about you. Yet, here you are on this site. Not only that, you are boasting to all of us strangers that you have an 'alternative' sexual preference. You brought it to us, not the other way around. So either you want to tell others, and be accepted for your 'gutsy' decision, or you just want to argue with those that have a reaction to what you are claiming. Either way, this is a public forum. You will get your yearned for reaction here. No problem with that.
So what do you think you have a right to complain about? Our reaction? Or our non-compliance with your fantasy?

Jav
Chels8888 (1 stories) (1 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
I know I said I would not participate in the discussion, I just want to make some things clear before stepping out permanently.

I am 18. A legal adult, not a "vulnerable teenager". I learned about things like incubuses and other occult topics early in life because the people I knew were interested in them. I know FAR more about the occult than most people (who merely read what they find online instead of actually finding an experienced person/ experiencing it themselves.)

I do not "isolate from humanity." I do in fact have a busy social/professional life (continuing my schooling to become a CNA.) The reason I have a relationship here is because (just like many other relationships), I've known him for a long time and things merely developed in that direction. I am perfectly capable of being in a relationship with another human, and in fact have several times.

I DO NOT HAVE PSYCHOSIS, OR ANY OTHER MENTAL DISORDER THAT WOULD CAUSE ME TO HALLUCINATE/ HAVE DELUSIONS.

I would appreciate it if you all had the common sense to remember you know little to nothing about me before making such comments.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+4
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Here's another hint to go along with that one. This one is from zzgranny's words of wisdom...

Most of those who are claiming to have relationships with these so-called Demons, are staunch atheists.
Tell me, how can you believe in demons and not God? After all, he did have a little something to do with the creation of their species, correct? You know, when Lucifer and he followers were tossed from Heaven and given a new turf to watch over? I believe He had a say in that matter.
You cannot have one and not the other, it throws the math off.

Jav
SearcherSeeker (11 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Jav - you're really right. I didn't even factor in that part of this specific claim. I am new here and just learning how to evaluate each story. Thanks for that input!
SearcherSeeker (11 posts)
+5
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Sorry- after reading more of the stories in this category, I have made a personal decision to skip this category altogether. I will say, though, that I am alarmed at the number of kids acting like having a relationship with a demon is "cool" or the next best thing when a real person isn't in their lives. I am the mother of an 18 year old boy and I thought I was pretty up on the times, but this attraction to demons at all, let alone as sexual partners, is positively stunning. A fascination with ghosts and the paranormal does not have to mean an acceptance or seeking out of demons or malevolent entities. Am I naïve or do I have this wrong? Am I missing something because I am new to this site?
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
What would a demon be doing hanging out for as many years as she in claiming to have been around this spirit, and not try something much sooner and more devious? It doesn't make sense to think a real demon would stay in one spot, for that long, on the off chance he may get permission?
Again... Permission!? A demon!? Highly unlikely and irregular. What are demons not able to have? Human form? Free will? Carte blanche in their travel plans? But this one hangs out for over several years? Waiting patiently?

Jav
SearcherSeeker (11 posts)
+4
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
I'm confused on this one. While I agree with zzsgranny re the isolation from humanity and with Jav re the common statements and attitude that this is a positive experience, the whole thing shocks and concerns me on so many levels. My understanding is that an incubus is a demon, period. That only a demon could communicate telepathically and would pursue a sexual relationship. This writer is making it sound as if she believes this is a formerly human entity and that she is carrying on a regular relationship with this entity. Wouldn't a demon trying to pursue a vulnerable teen act like this to build exactly the kind of trust the writer expresses and then later down the road turn things into a negative (understatement) situation? Or is the whole incubus thing bs and the writer has some type of psychosis? I greatly value the opinions of zzsgranny and Jav (have read a lot of your input on other posts), so even though the writer won't take part in the discussion I'm curious where everyone else stands on the succubus/incubus issue in general.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+3
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
"The author, Chels8888, has the following expectation about your feedback: I will read the comments but I won't participate in the discussion"

Sorry Chels8888,
Too much fairy tale, not enough reality. You may be thinking you are getting away with something here with your refusal to answer questions or even discuss this at all, and you are correct for the most part. However, writing a positive take on something you know so little about is fantasy, and purposefully misleading for the reader. I am in agreement with zzgranny. Isolating yourself from the rest of humanity, for what?
Where did a teenager learn about the Incubus/succubus phenomenon anyway? I asked my own girls, who are no longer in their teens, what they know about it. They looked at me with such surprised expressions that I had to step back. Until I brought it up, they had no interest in knowing anything about it. And why should they?

Jav

My personal opinion...
I find it interesting how this is now becoming the 'statement' of this category of stories. It all seems quite convenient, yet not the normal board of fare when these accounts come up. Seems odd (not really) that this is somehow becoming the norm. Almost like it's being planned this way, you know? A 'push'.
We'll just put you in the "born after this date" column.
(I can hardly wait to see how high the total in this column will get in the next few weeks)
Maddy3011 (1 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Hey hie.
I ve been reading stories on this site just in a form of entertainment. Just want to share with You guys an incident that happened. I am from mumbai, india. My mother was hospitalised last July (2011). I used to go and sleep at night in the hospital as dad and younger bro couldn't handle the stress and shock of mom being serious. Coming back to topic, I used to sleep on sofa in the common room where sofas are laid out. The women generally slept on sofa. The men relatives of other patients used to sleep on floor. Everyone adjusted well. One night (it was 2nd night stay) in the hospital In middle of the night in that week, I suddenly felt some one sitting on me so heavy and I could sense it to be a man. He was rubbing himself to my body. I generally had a habit of putting my hands up open and sleeping. I tried to push it off but cudnt see anything. God alone knows that I pushed with all the will and strength I had and got up. I was shivering. But all were soundly asleep. The security guy was sitting outside the ICU room. I looked at the wall clock it was 3 pm exact. But I knew it wasn't human whatever had just happened. After that it happened 2 more times. And this was in my home. After that I sleep in my parents room. Shit scared to go through it again. And this bad dream occurred even after keeping knife under the pillow.
Gayatrishiva (3 stories) (117 posts)
 
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Very lovely and positive experience. I hope one day science become more advanced to know about these beings and not treated as negative/demons as such.

I feel they are also like human some are bad and some are good like that. I wonder what they would be saying about humans when we have dream or visit them during dreams and such stuffs lol.
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
+5
5 years ago (2012-09-08)
Chels8888: First of all, I'm not so sure this is an incubus... I find your account disturbing, nonetheless... There are in excess of 7 BILLION real, live human beings on the face of the earth, and you can't find one that suits you?...

"Is it so hard to accept that these occurrences can be described as other than terrifying, horrific and/or evil?"...That's not the part that's so hard to accept... I struggle with "why?"...Why would anyone opt for a relationship that's really going no where?...Why would one need to?...The only answer I can come up with is: because you feel unworthy/incapable of close HUMAN contact... And that, my friend, is a psychological issue...

I see that you chose not to participate in the discussion, so I'll leave my comment and move on...

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