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JerryB (8 stories) (189 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-11-06)
db -- I see I missed something in your question, you asked about the 'boss' man and I addressed the odd little guy. Sorry. I honestly remember less about him other than thinking he might have been an officer. Which would have been highly unusual considering the location. I thought as much initially. But an officer somehow linked with the odd little guy seemed odd in itself. The tall man was also in civilian clothing. He was across the room and had gone unnoticed by me until Mr Fire Plug first took notice of him. And that stuff about hearing his anger but not actually hearing it sounds like mental telepathy, which I believe it was (I have another story about something similar) and what I heard was somehow the over spill of him addressing the little guy. Now that sounds nuts too doesn't it.

The tall guy stuff happened abruptly and I remember no follow up regarding it. I think I left the dayroom shortly afterwards myself have heard/felt the anger I mentioned and I wanted to be somewhere else, any place else would have been better under the circumstances. The little guy was in trouble but I felt I was also for having paid him any attention. Chock that up to me being a low ranking soldier trying to navigate in a sea of nearly everyone else above me in rank at the time. Quite intimidating.

Bottom line is Mr Fire Plug and his alleged boss were strangers, people I never saw again in the dayroom or anywhere else, and I remained in that unit in Baumholder for almost a year before shipping off to Vietnam. Which I volunteered for. Maybe I'm the one with a loose screw.
JerryB (8 stories) (189 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-11-06)
Hi db --
Hi Valkricry --
Thanks guys for giving me even more to think about. In1965 when this happened has been a long time ago, so long in fact I bet many people here in YGS weren't even born yet. I sure am getting old, and that's a good thing, I'd be the first to say so (a good thing) in that regard -- when asked what I want for my birthday -- I always say OLDER.

Back in 1965 I was still in my teens (19 if my math is right) and the odd little guy's age was about the same or maybe a tad younger, if I knew it exact, it's long gone in memory. He was considerably shorter, I do remember that, I'm 5/11 therefore he was probably around 5 feet or so. He was stocky, but not fat, big boned is what my mother used to call bulky people back then and he was certainly that. More than pudgy, if that makes sense to you. His clothing is uncertain now other than remembering a red-colored short sleeve shirt he was wearing, not loud red but a dark red is what I believe I remember. Not in any uniform, but wearing civilian clothing and nothing unusual about it I recall... Long trousers not shorts. Super short haircut, not shaved but closer than my own hair and back then we all visited the barber weekly for close haircuts.

Back then open heart surgery was not common place, I'm not so sure even today it might be considered common, in fact I just read this morning that the first successful human heart transplant wasn't performed until 1967 or 1968, there seems to be some discrepancy in which. Point is this again was in 1965. There was some success using animal parts or so I read, and kind of remember hearing about same back then, but that must go unknown as I have no idea about such stuff. That's for the experts and history books. My own observation of the man's chest was DAMN that must have hurt like the dickens, the scar was red and puffy and jagged-ugly. It looked like something I might have left him with had I done the operation, not some advanced medical procedure like he claimed. Just the idea of advanced anything I would have thought would have been neater, but again what do I know, I was an admin clerk not a doctor...

I understand your comments about German doctors and the amazing medical and dental procedures they can be accredited with, the Geman people have always impressed me as extremely smart in all kinds of fields, medical being one such. Could a German Doctor have done any of this? -- I suppose. The odd little guy was Ameican as I seem to recall. Does that matter? I guess not. And I guess I never will no more about this, him delusional or not, unless the odd little guy was telling us the truth, that is, and then we will all (or most) know eventually won't we.
valkricry (39 stories) (2773 posts) mod
 
2 years ago (2015-11-06)
Jerry,
I do know that in many cultures, especially those that practice voodoo, there is a powerful belief in zombies, but not the brain-eating sort (thank goodness!).
Now, if we accept that someone could be brought back after being buried, I see no reason why, if seen by someone who knew them they could not be thought to be a very 'solid' specter - a ghost. For many that is more palatable and believable than a walking dead person.
But laying that argument aside; we are still left with that mysterious dental device. It leads us to even more questions than answers. Even if we label Mr. Fire Plug a complete nut job, who perhaps had an NDE and construed that as being brought back from the grave, it simply does not shed any light on this dental device.
It's what I like to call a WTH file. It'll leave you puzzling that's for sure.
db (13 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-11-06)
JerryB,
Well detailed and intriguing account. In thinking back about the man's oral appliance, it almost sounds like some sort of glued on denture and if the dental work was done in Germany it would not surprise me if some old time lone dentist who survived WWII at that time chose to workout some new way unique to his care to design something like that. The German word for dentist is 'zahnartst' or literally: 'tooth artist' so I wonder about the freedom that a German dentist at that time would have with his 'art'
The chest surgery on the guy I don't know how far along Germany was at that time with that and, if the crazy Mr. Fireplug had sustained war injuries, who knows why he would want to mess with you like that-people can really have a twisted sense of humor or just be crazy!
Can you give any detail about how tall and what sort of build the 'boss' man was and any other detail about his appearance/age/facial features and what clothing he was wearing?
Thanks!
JerryB (8 stories) (189 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-11-05)
Hi Valkricry. --
Yes, I believe you're right. I also believe there are different levels of insanity, some so severe that it disables while others of another sort walk among us and are quite functional. Still looney toons but functioning. If this guy was anything other than real he was the latter, a functioning loony. But I believe otherwise.

The only thing I have truly held to over the years as truth is that skin colored plastic mass that I saw, twice. I convinced myself that if that was true, but not technologically possible according to dentist, then maybe everything else might be true. Might be is still bouncing around in my thoughts, enough so that I felt I should share this story.

It wasn't a dental appliance, I asked, and I did look for signs of that at the time. It was affixed to his teeth, it was part of his teeth, it looked poured in place but neatly done. Not too thick but noticeable with his mouth wide open, the mass conformed smoothly with the shape of his teeth and although skin colored was noticeably not his gums.

Certainly not a ghost as Agua points out, but so damn close and strange to warrant
(In my mind) is why I shared the story here on YGS. Agua seems dead set to believe otherwise because they never heard of such. Zip. But does that make it not so? Surely we all have heard stories of the living dead, of zombies and other related possibilities. I would offer that there are some cultures that would swear they exist. But do they? And where did such beliefs come from? What are those living dead beliefs based upon? Could even same (at times) be mistaken for the accepted ghost phenomenon? If not, why not?
valkricry (39 stories) (2773 posts) mod
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2 years ago (2015-11-05)
Jerry,
The real crazies are very sincere in their beliefs no matter how ludicrous they may be. The thing is for them their fantasy IS their reality. But, pertaining to your account, that still doesn't explain that pink plastic. The only thing I can think of is a 'partial', but then I think you would have noticed the small hooks on either side that 'anchors' it into place. They aren't super noticeable being very thin, but still...
Interesting...very interesting.
JerryB (8 stories) (189 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-11-05)
Hi again Agua --
Thanks for the reply. I will tell you I understood most of what you said, some things are beyond my pay grade. I said that wrong, meant to say most of what you said I too agree with. But I know what I saw and the setting I saw it in.

I'm not a complete idiot, some might disagree with me saying that, but spending some time with another person, observing body language for example, regardless if I have personal knowledge about it or not, I would like to think I can rule out the real nut jobs. Some might wish to disagree with that as well.

The little guy was odd on many levels but still left me with some serious doubt and some serious unanswered questions. His claim to fame was certainly out there in far left field, no question about that. But he at the same time seemed sincere in the 'crazy' things he said. That and other things...

He left me feeling that he was confiding in me, in us. Saying we had things in common (Last Rites, for example, which he obviously misunderstood, but him hearing me say it brought him over to us regardless; and another being the lower back teeth thing). I felt he just wanted somebody to tell his story to, much like we do here. Somebody he could speak with near his own age. And that damn scar on his chest was amazing. He said the ones that brought him back left him with that scar. I would have thought some super advanced medical procedure wouldn't have left such a nasty mark. But hey what do I know.

That other man, the tall man, seemed to be directly linked to the odd little guy and the little guy seemed scared of him, that he had told us too much when he probably shouldn't have even spoken to us at all was the impression I got. That reprimand thing I wrote about, not hearing it with my ears but hearing it nevertheless sure has had a lasting impression also in all of this for me.

But the most outstanding possibility of he truth in any of this in this being that dental work I sa when dentist have told me over the years that they know of no such procedure. Not sure now how many, 3 or 4 that I asked about it at various times. Well, that certainly gave credence in my mind that maybe there is more here than any of us are aware.

Advanced medical procedure to reverse death is one thing for sure, that and grave robbing along with it, now how can something like that be proven right or wrong; but the dental thing (an otherwise not so remarkable matter and yet no procedure exist for it...) sure leaves me not so sure.
Agua (4 stories) (61 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-11-05)
I agree there are a lot of stories here that are short on facts and long on setting a dramatic mood - or rely on things I personally find unpersuasive such as "feeling of dread in that room", or dogs viciously barking at a wall, but the notion that something inexplicable manifests an observable physical effect is as old as mankind and has been validated by untold hundreds of millions of people all over the world, even though it, by its nature, is not susceptible to current scientific testing methodology due to its inability to be repeatable.

When someone presents an account with detailed facts of what happened and there's no plausible explanation for it, I find it something worth considering in light of the fact that these things have been observed to happen all the time. That is, unless there are indicia that it's the product of an immature "writer", such as laying it on thick, etc.

With this guy you met, there's a completely plausible explanation (he's a nut), and the alternative - that he's a reanimated corpse carrying on his second life - has never been observed to happen. Anywhere.

Call me funny, but that's just the distinction I see between believable stories here at YGS and the notion that Fireplug guy was what he wanted you to believe he was.

The reanimation of corpses, whether carried out by some secret society or by a flying cow, is simply a bridge too far, for me anyway...
JerryB (8 stories) (189 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-11-05)
Agua --

Well, I'm not asking you to consider anything more unbelievable than other stories here in YGS that profess to be reporting on 'true' ghostly events as people know them, or understand them.

I have no proof that would stand up against legal scrutiny, if that's what you're asking. I would imagine others would have to claim the same considering what the basic subject here is all about.

I do know there is much we walking and talking and breathing human beings only think we understand when it comes to what truly awaits after death. I have no special insight, just know there seems to be no end to the strange happenings in this world; these YGS examples speak to that, don't you think so? I try to keep my mind open accordingly. Some examples might be easily dismissed while others leaves me seriously wondering.

I didn't mean to infer that the dental work was done by some nameless mortician, that's not what the odd little guy said, he claimed it was done by those that brought him back, the ones (?) who have been doing their 'thing' for centuries, and that what I saw behind his teeth as a permanent fix (as he claimed it to be) seems to be something modern dental science simply hasn't made available to any of us.

If you know otherwise, I'm listening...
Agua (4 stories) (61 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-11-05)
OK Jerry. You're suggesting that we at least consider that this guy was a reanimated corpse from a mortuary, including the dental thing used by morticians. Is that right?
JerryB (8 stories) (189 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-11-05)
A loonie on the loose is one thing to consider BUT you do have to weigh in this one thing that has bothered me over the years since that strange encounter // and that is the plastic fix he had behind his teeth and dentist I've spoken with in mentioning this over the years since (and only this part, of course) religiously claiming nothing like that dental procedure exists. I saw it!
LynxKatt73 (1 stories) (8 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-11-05)
What a strange little man, JerryB. Must have had you thinking you were in a nut house so to speak for a couple of minutes... Wonder who he actually was and where he came in from.

You should have asked to see the screw scars where they put his back in after they fell out! Lol!

LynxKatt73
JerryB (8 stories) (189 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-11-05)
Hi Caz --
You haven't disappointed me yet (insane asylum escapee, a real nut job a wacko that was speaking with me -- yeah I thought that too at the time). You might be right but the guy seemed so sincere. Just goes to show that even loonies might truly believe what they say is the truth, no matter how bizarre a subject; guess that's what makes them suitable inmates for the nut house to begin with.

You give me a chuckle with nearly every comment you send in my direction. But your point is always understood and please keep them coming. I didn't say earlier but in my story about the glass and you saying hopefully the 'whatever it was that broke it, might have the courtesy to choose a less expensive item to get my attention, you're certainly right again in saying that,... And again I found myself stiffling back a chuckle. Thanks, Caz.
Caz (223 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-11-05)
Lol...I wonder how long it took the asylum to realise he was missing! 😉
JerryB (8 stories) (189 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-11-04)
Hi AGUA - you got that right. Actually I was glad the guy left when he did. He certainly was an odd ball, but as you can see left a memorable impression on me. Just wish people I tell this to could have been there and heard what we did. I have no idea who my friend was, he heard and saw also, but too many years gone by to recall anything about him specifically to ask for his back up in this regard.

Don't worry you didn't ruffle my feathers on this one either. Ha. Thanks for your input, I enjoy your perspective in these things.
JerryB (8 stories) (189 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-11-04)
Hi MANAFON1 -- and
MRMONTY --

Checked in this morning and see that YGS posted my story. True to he bit of my recollection. Never saw that movie you referenced, I might want to check it out, thanks.

As to how someone, a civilian or anyone, finding their way into a dayroom, can't say about today time considering world events but back then it certainly wouldn't have been a real concern. Anybody off the street could have just walked in. Baumholder was a military setting but pretty much an open post. I remember a lot of fog, lots of mud, and lots of Army tanks constantly moving about.

That odd little civilian I write about seemed to want to confide in us, telling us what he did, he did hang around us for quite sometime. He was American, I'm pretty sure. Why he said what he did, I can only imagine. I never noticed him with anyone else in the room except to say that the tall man that caught my attention seemed to be connected to him somehow. I got the impression the tall man was kind of like the odd little guy's boss, for lack of a better label.
Agua (4 stories) (61 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-11-04)
Jerry, Mr. Fireplug was some kind of nut. Consider yourself fortunate he didn't want to pal around with you.
Manafon1 (5 stories) (511 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-11-04)
Jerry--That is a wild account! I have no idea where the odd Uncle Fester-like man uttering his cryptic comments could have come from or what the purpose of the "Workers" could be. Certainly one creepy encounter though and one that would have left a permanent impression on me!

The idea of corpses being brought back to life to be used as workers reminds me of the 1979 movie Phantasm. In that film, a dimension jumping undertaker known as The Tall Man, reanimates the dead, crushes them down to dwarf sized creatures (who still retain their original visages) and uses them as slave labor in this and other dimensions. The movie makes little sense but is imaginative, independent cinema at its most fun. Thanks for your strange and creepy account.
mrmonty (8 stories) (48 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-11-04)
JerryB,
Interesting story, have spent a little time while in the Army (TDY assignments) I can attest to more then a few interesting characters in Germany, interesting as they're just not right. I just wondering how the guy got into the dayroom, had to be a friend of or know someone. Thanks for the story

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