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Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
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13 years ago (2011-03-30)
I don't know if I can go with the idea of them not learning at all. That's denying them the ability to think things over and make decisions. You make decisions based on what you know, or have learned, so saying they don't really have to learn denies them the capacity for rational thought.
DARKNESS (3 stories) (2022 posts)
 
13 years ago (2011-03-30)
I was also thinking maybe they do not need to learn at all, as Louslips touched on if they can read your thoughts and you know they can Miracles because of your CD staicase that was layed out for you lol, then that's all they would need to do to get a reaction or someones attention. 😕
DARKNESS (3 stories) (2022 posts)
 
13 years ago (2011-03-30)
Miracles sorry just got to your question then and no doubt all you good people have probably all ready nailed it! But I was thinking if a young child passes away before they were able to read and write, they would never learn to read and write unless someone was there to teach them, if it was me I would probably want to run around and have fun for the rest of my life because I didn't know any better? Hmmm geez I'm going to be thinking about this all day now mite get back to you on this one again lol.
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
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13 years ago (2011-03-30)
Lou - I'm not sure I have any theories on the energy vs. Manifestation. I guess I just base my thoughts on what I experience as well as those whom I've come to believe in and trust. Which is why we are having this discussion today 😉. There is so much that is unknown and I find it fascinating to hear others opinions and "crackpot theories."

I wholeheartedly agree with trying to keep composure when coming across the spirits. I have nightlights in every room of my home, just so I don't accidentally stumble upon one of mine in the dark LOL. I don't want to scare the crap out of them anymore than I want the crap scared out of me 😆.
LouSlips (10 stories) (979 posts)
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13 years ago (2011-03-30)
Does manifesting truly take the energy sources we claim they use or do the sources force them to manifest? Are they manipulating the energy, or are they overcome by it?...I sure hope all of this is covered in the brochure.
I think they discover their skills and develop them over time, just like the learning curve it takes most of us to complete a task. Theirs just crosses over time and space...
I'm sure the longer they exist in their new form, the better they get at achieving their desired goals. But as humans go, so do our spirits. I've seen a few react a little more than surprised when they realized I could see them... So I guess they make mistakes as well; and also progressively learn how to deal with those consequences as well.
Maybe like us. I'm never less than amazed when I have an encounter, but I've learned to keep my composure for the most part. They still surprise me, and it can still be unnerving; but I'm less likely to want to crap a pile and hide behind it, than I used to be.

Lou
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
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13 years ago (2011-03-30)
Wow, see what I missed in 20 minutes 😆. Okay some of y'all touched on my theories. One of them being what do ghosts do with their time when they've been dead for years and years and the "newness" has worn off. I don't mean that in a smart*ss way at all. It's just after so many years, there's going to be a time when you've done everything as a ghost that can be done. What do you do then? You have to find some way to "kill time."

Cosmogal, I've had them looking over my shoulder when typing, so yeah. Seen the shadow reflected in my computer screen. Talk about freaking me out for a few minutes. 😨

When Dalton was in Kindergarten he was taught a song to learn his a-b-c's. One night he heard the little girl in our house (Peter Pan story) singing the same same he sang. We'd never heard her sing before.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
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13 years ago (2011-03-30)
One more thought here, children do learn quickly, and there plenty of kids who learn to read before kindergarten. Given time and opportunity, I believe they learn many complicated tasks. For instance, they manifest themselves, we theorize anyway, by gathering energy from the nearest available source. How did that come about? When even many adult spirits seem to lack in that department? I'm not suggesting they read about it, I'm saying they had to learn it post mortem.
LouSlips (10 stories) (979 posts)
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13 years ago (2011-03-30)
Javelina, I don't know, but they have an eternity to do it. Although I am on board with spirits being trapped; I believe we do go to a better place, and there isn't anything we cannot do there.
But we get to come back and visit, check on our loved ones; and yes, Cosmo, drink ghostaccinos.

Where ya' gonna' keep your change?

Lou
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
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13 years ago (2011-03-30)
Good point Lou,
But if they're just hanging about, wouldn't they do it just fill in the hours? Too many questions come off that one alone.
They might be learning from the kids they always seem to make friemds with. At least the basics anyway.
The question of why would they? The same curious mind inhabits them in their current form as in their previous life maybe? That same yearning to know what makes the sky blue, or why they are here when the rest of their family is not? I don't think learning stops if you're still existing somewhere on a different plane, at least I hope it doesn't.
cosmogal926 (9 stories) (1223 posts)
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13 years ago (2011-03-30)
Miracles, I would think that it is possible to learn things when one becomes a spirit. First I think that spirit needs to learn how to move around, and use energy to manipulate objects and create enough to actually make someone feel their touch. Like Lou said it wouldn't surprise me if they were looking over our shoulders now and again watching us type on the computer or use our cell phones. For a child to pass on before learning how to read or write might enter the spirit world with general knowledge of things.

Awww Lou, and I was looking forward to those Starbuck ghostaccino's. LOL 😆 😜
BadJuuJuu (guest)
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13 years ago (2011-03-30)
Crackpot theory time! 😁
I think the amount of learning a ghost can achieve depends a lot on the ghosts maturity level and attention span. It would take longer for a ghost of a very young child to learn things, simply (in my opinion) because a very young child is more interested in playing than learning. The maturity level to want to learn just isn't there. Not saying a young child's ghost can't or won't learn, just that it may take longer because the interest isn't there.
A ghost with a short attention span would have similar issues. The desire to learn may be there, but...Ooooooo...shiny...
It's tough to settle in, focus, and learn something when there are other things going on. A person, living or not, who gets easily distracted will have more challenge learning something. The individual will get it, it just may not happen until there is nothing else going on to distract the individual.
LouSlips (10 stories) (979 posts)
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13 years ago (2011-03-30)
Miracles,
What does a spirit do all day? In my opinion, a large part of their existence must be composed of listening and observing us. I think that those intelligents who have the desire, can watch and learn just about anything; from electronic devises to looking over someone's shoulder when they are reading out loud. And who is to say what they can or cannot manipulate to achieve their message.
If they can indeed possess someone and talk through them, or control their movements for instance with spiritual writing, who knows what the limits may be. I truly believe that some can and will read our thoughts... It may be unconventional, but if a child spirit reads our mind while we are reading, then all they have to do is memorize the letter formations of the words.
What I am really interested in, is why would a spirit need to learn to read? I'm pretty sure they do not need emergency exits, and they don't have the stomach to go to Starbucks.

Lou
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
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13 years ago (2011-03-30)
DARKNESS - you brought up something I've recently had reason to wonder and ponder about. You said "some ghosts/spirits do have a concept of learning and adapting to things to gain our attention." Since I'm asking for input from everyone, I decided to move this to one of my stories, that way I'm not hijacking anyone else's page.

Here's my question. If a child dies when they are little, say 3-4 years old, do you think they have the ability to learn how to read and write beyond what they already knew when they died? Where does the learning end? If they have been dead for 100 years, do they mentally stay the same as when they died?

It's obvious they have the ability to manipulate electronic gadgets that were not around in their time, so I personally believe they have the ability to learn. Where does that "learning" or "education" end or does it?
SpiritsWindsForever (44 posts)
 
13 years ago (2011-02-27)
Yes young grasshopper... T'is it is a powerful force n0t yet harvested by man
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
 
13 years ago (2011-02-27)
SpiritsWindsForever - 😆 the mind is a powerful thing, isn't it?
SpiritsWindsForever (44 posts)
 
13 years ago (2011-02-27)
yah... But my mind twisted it around... 😊 😊 😊:D:D:D:D good story...:)
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
 
13 years ago (2011-02-27)
SpiritsWindsForever - thank you for reading my story and for commenting. I need to point out to you, though, the little girl always cried for her "mommy" not her daddy 😊.

Again, thanks for reading.
SpiritsWindsForever (44 posts)
 
13 years ago (2011-02-26)
As I was reading this I had my hands to my head so I couldn't see to the sides. Ecxpecting that little girl to be standing there asking for her father... That scared the crud out of me.

But I don't agree for it being residual. If she possessed Jerrica she is intelligent. And she knows your all there... 😭 You probably look like her mother... And she thinks... Your her mother... 😭 She cried for her mother while you were there because deep inside that spirit. Some memory clutched her mother and she wasn't just going to let go... 😐
dreamergal72 (6 stories) (793 posts)
 
13 years ago (2010-11-12)
Lynn is My middle name too and You got that right about cats they don't take a child's breath or whatever I love cats I have cats that sleep on me and Yes she protect me like if something was going to harm me and yes she guard me all the time even in the bathroom when I am use it she make sure her eyes at the door way cats tend to see things are may be dangerous she make sure that I am not harm.
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
 
14 years ago (2010-04-12)
Hope - Wow, thank you for that really kind comment. It's nice to know people like, and want, to read more. I know what that's like. There are certain people that I read all their memories. I try to make mine as "OMG I feel like I was there" as I can. Sometimes I fail in getting that across, but I try.

You may be right about the little girl's name. I'll have to take your word for it as I was never given a name for her. She was always "the little girl."

The mother...don't know much about her except I truly feel (and I mean TRULY FEEL) she is dead as well. There was a male spirit there also. Very, very bad and very, very evil. Yes, the kind of evil you can feel in your skin. I'm not sure how much the mother was involved in the abuse to the little girl, but I don't believe she lived very long either.

Thank you for your comments. I appreciate them very much. As soon as the site will allow, I'm going to put another memory or two on. Hope you enjoy reading them.

Marjie
hope4ever (4 stories) (75 posts)
 
14 years ago (2010-04-11)
I find myself pulled to your stories, always wanting to read more. The more I read about this perticular spirit, the more I want to call her Jessica. Why, I don't know. But it's like a name that just gets stuck in my head. I usually can pull names when talking to spirits, or even thinking about them. And you are right, she is a beautiful little girl.

As for what happened to her, I feel her mother beat her. Thats why she said that she wanted her mother to never do that again, and that it hurt. Violent drunk perhaps? But for whatever reason, she possesed Jerrica, which is what happened those nights where Jerrica would cry and so forth.

I wouldn't say residual (pardon the poor spelling, I'm far from the best speller) haunting at all. A residual keeps going, and never stops. It does whatever memory is trapped there whether or not you are there. Plus if you saw her, and she smiled at you, that means that she knows what's going on, and she isn't just a trapped energy.

As always thanks for sharing your memories 😁
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
 
14 years ago (2010-04-03)
OK - "to get the 2 I have". That sounds so bad and so completely different than what I meant.
I lost 5 babies and emotionally it was very, very hard on me. I realize it wasn't their time in this life.

I know God gave me my children when they were meant to be here. At least Dalton says so!

I so didn't mean it to sound like THAT!

Not sure who I'm apologizing to here, maybe to God for me coming off as selfish and egotistical.

And I apologize to all for getting off track here.
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
 
14 years ago (2010-04-03)
whitebuffalo - your reliable source? "They" are right. Again. No surprise there, huh?

I know she's no longer there. It's another long story. It took me a couple of years to find someone to help me, but with the help of my Guardian Angel she crossed over. Never in my life have I ever, ever felt something so powerful, so intense. It was the most (I'm struggling for the right words here) amazing (and even that doesn't really express how I felt) feeling.
Since it's not a ghost story, I wouldn't be able to post it on here. But it truly is an unbelievable thing to have happen to me.

I was cautioned that if I took this on, I would be opening myself to others who needed my help to cross over. I had to be sure it was what I wanted. So I decided to help the little girl, but only her. I would say you have know idea what I went through with her, but I know that wouldn't be true. You know I couldn't continue to do nothing. She was a child who needed my help.

Whitebuffalo - to me she was the same as seeing an abused "living" child and doing nothing about it. I would be as guilty as the abuser. I didn't want her reliving that over and over and over and... You know? Of course you do.

Because my children are still young, I have closed that door for now. It's selfish on my part, I'll admit, but it took a long time and a lot of emotional trauma to get the 2 I have. I can't do something that might endanger them. I'm not as knowledgeable about the protection, etc that I need to continue helping them cross over. The woman I sought for advice no longer practices.

When Jerrica and Dalton are older, and I no longer have to worry about the "effect" it might have on them, I'm going to try opening that door a little bit more and use my gift the way it's intended. I'll be knocking on your door then! 😆
My prayers and thoughts are with you.
Marjie
whitebuffalo (guest)
 
14 years ago (2010-04-02)
You know what?
I wrote out a completely different response to your last comment, but it really did not sound right. 😊
I have it from who I consider a reliable source, that you need no longer worry about this little one (yeah, easier said than done when you are remembering, right?).
What I always think is disturbing is that in my memories, I sometimes "call them back". That does not necessarily mean that they come to me from The Other Side. What it COULD also mean is that my memory of the event sharpens my imaginations, and I MAY actually be seeing the "residual of my OWN experience WITH the being".
Do you catch my meaning there?
It COULD be that it is NOT the residual of the ghost. It could ALSO be the left over emotions that I brought to the experience itself. YES. The FIRST sighting WAS a ghost (residual or intelligent), but my memory of the event brings it back.
That is why it is so important to try to distance ourselves from each and every experience once it has passed. Otherwise, our lives may be PACKED with all these residuals, (minus the ghosts) and we face attachments.
A few of the Ghost Hunting community actually believe about three fourths of the attached ghosts are really only our own perception of being followed (the feelings of being watched, the creepy feeling when we walk into a place, the sense that someone is with us when no one is present). When this happens, it IS possible that we create-- issues (real or imagined Poltergeist, "demonic" physical symptoms etc).
The mind is a powerful tool.
We can MAKE things happen just by thinking bout it, and we do not have to have a gift to do that.
A curse ONLY works if we believe it will.
You did what you could at the time. It was out of your hands by the time she was able to voice her pain. She is no longer IN that pain.😉
Wa-do.
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
 
14 years ago (2010-04-01)
whitebuffalo - You know, I saw her so clearly I could describe her to a sketch artist. I can still see her. She was beautiful.

I'll check out Poe and do some "googling" for Anniversary Haunts.

Thank you.
whitebuffalo (guest)
 
14 years ago (2010-04-01)
Nah, you did not leave her.
She was in the act of leaving this disease ridden planet (disease being a multi-use word here) well before she made contact with you. You can KNOW that by the fact that she was "fading" each time you saw her. She went from a little girl to a shadow person.
All a shadow person really is, is an entity that does not have the strength to show itself as a full bodied entity. It is nothing more, nothing less than that. I rejoice that she WAS Moving ON. Good Gracious, the poor thing suffered enough. She did NOT need to be hanging around.
An anniversary ghost shows up at the anniversary of a tragic event. SOME show up just "moments" before the act took place. SOME join us for days, even weeks surrounding the actual date. There is some debate on whether they are residual or intelligent, or in a class all their own. There have been documented cases (give me time, and I will search a few out for you, if you like, or you could by searching Anniversary Haunts) The most common occurrence, is that they SEEM to "follow that same path" that they did when in their last moments, BUT seem to "pull the living in" at their convenience (I used the quotes as I could not seem to come up with the correct phrase to insert there).
IF you want to do your own research, I would suggest you start out with Edgar Allen Poe. Do not stop when you read of HIS anniversary ghost, read on to see where his "griever" comes into play. VERY interesting.
Wa-do.
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
 
14 years ago (2010-04-01)
PoppyXred - It really scared me too when it happened. I didn't have a clue what to do. Thank you for your comments.

Hollyhobby - thank you for the compliment. I appreciate it very much.

The house had been a rental house for long time and 3 families that had lived there had girls. This is information I got from a neighbor who'd lived there for over 30 years. She told me one family who had 3 girls just up and moved overnight. My neighbor didn't know anything about them other than that. That family hadn't lived there very long before they moved.

I researched as much as I could. Our local courthouse informed me that records over 15 years old aren't kept. They are actually burned, so I wasn't able to find out who owned the house beyond 5 years I think. And since it had been a rental house for a long time, there are no records kept of renters. The resources weren't available then (13 years ago) like they are now. I also didn't know how long ago it had been, so I wasn't able to find out anything through our local paper. It frustrated me not to be able to find out anything.

I do have other stories about that house. I'll try to submit them soon.

Thanks for asking.

Marjie
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
 
14 years ago (2010-04-01)
Whitebuffalo - still learning here, so help me out. I'm familiar with anniversary ghosts, but don't know a whole lot about them other than they show up the same time year after year. I guess I never thought of them interacting. Guess I thought them very similar to residual. (I'm looking for more input here.)
She didn't follow me, but I carried the guilt with me for a year. I left her and I was the only one who could help her. I felt like I left a child of mine.
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
 
14 years ago (2010-04-01)
Hey aussiedaz - thanks for the info on cats. I wasn't aware of that. I think you are right about the little girl being traumatized during her life. I feel that very strongly. I also think she chose Jerrica to tell her story the only way she could.

Darkness - Sometimes I think Jerrica remembers something, but doesn't want to acknowledge it. I could be totally wrong though. She truly might not remember anything. When she's ready...
Thanks for your comments.
Marjie
whitebuffalo (guest)
 
14 years ago (2010-04-01)
Great Caesar's Ghost! YES!
A residual haunt AND an intelligent one CAN be present in the same location. AND the intelligent haunt OF the residual CAN be "stumped" by the visual of it self.
I am not thinking intelligent haunt at all. What I am thinking is anniversary ghost. You mentioned that it came along at the same time each year, then disappeared until around the same time in the next year.

Listen to what your daughter said. She said "Promise me you'll never do that again. Please, mommy, promise me. It's so bad, mommy, you just don't know..."
She said "Promise me you'll never do that again." Does that SOUND like something a little girl would say to a doting Mother, or something a little one would say after being hurt by someone they unconditionally love?
You were not dealing with a little one that wanted to let herself be known. You were dealing with a little one who was harmed by her Mother. Maybe it was not a straight up injustice done by the Mother, but maybe it was all in passiveness.
I have no love loss for Mothers who do not fight for their child's safety. Or respect, either.
As the second and third time you saw her she was not as clear as the first time, that would indicate that she was "fading", or in the process of Moving On. If she was never heard again after you left, and she did not follow YOU...
Wa-do.
aussiedaz (19 stories) (1565 posts)
 
14 years ago (2010-04-01)
Miriacle recent studies have proven that children who sleep and play with their pets end up with a stronger immune system in their adult life, so you shouldn't be criticized about that, this experience I feel was more of a intelligent projection by this young girl who emotionally when alive must have felt abandon or traumatized at some point of her life, I feel that Jerrica was sensing the emotion's of this projection, which with your intuition you also could sense, I use the word projection rather than haunting as I do believe their is a difference a haunting is a deliberate attempt to scare you, where in this
Story a intelligent projection is where a spirit wants to replay their own tormented life with the interaction of human response and activity, thank you for sharing your story.
Darren ❤
PoppyXred (5 posts)
 
14 years ago (2010-04-01)
hi, this sorter sacred me, sorry! But I have heard a story like that, the little girl would hold her hand and whisper "i love you mummy" but that little ghost thought you were her mum, but then realised you wernt and then started to fade and gradually, she faded away.

Hope I help explain from Poppy
hobbyholly (11 stories) (572 posts)
 
14 years ago (2010-04-01)
Thank you for sharing. Very well written.

Did you know anything about the house/land? I would really like to hear about your other experiences.
DARKNESS (3 stories) (2022 posts)
 
14 years ago (2010-03-31)
Hi Miracles51031 repeating what Fashionista mentioned I believe there is sometimes confusion between residual and intelligent hauntings. The little girl probly was residual although you mentioned she stared at you and you thought she was smiling, that in itself is not residual as she has noticed you. I think your daughter is to frightened to really hear what happened at that time but as you said when she is ready, it may get her to remember some past forgotten memories, just a thought.

Thank you for sharing.

Dan
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
 
14 years ago (2010-03-31)
Fashionista777 - my first impression was an intelligent haunting also. I am just on the fence because of the little girl continuing the same path, the same time of the year.
Jerrica and I actually talked about this within the last year and she doesn't remember what happened. She just remembers me asking her if she had remembered having a bad dream.
I don't know whether or not you have read my other stories, but I keep a journal. Jerrica won't even read it. I have asked her if she wants me to tell her what really happened that night and she has told me she doesn't want to know. She realizes it wasn't just a bad dream, but doesn't want to know any more than that. I figure when she's ready she'll ask and then we'll talk about it. I don't have answers to all the questions she'll have; but I think I'll be better able to talk to her about it now.
I also am glad we don't live there anymore. Not because of the little girl, but there was another presence there that scared the crap out of me.
Thank you for your comments. I appreciate them.
Wow, I can honestly say I've never heard that OLD tale about the cats. Glad that's not true since I have a little boy, too!
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4999 posts) mod
 
14 years ago (2010-03-31)
TessaLovee - thanks for your comments. We don't live there anymore, but there were a lot of other things that happened in that house while we lived there. I plan on submitting some of them. The little girl wasn't scary at all though. She was just sad.
Fashionista777 (4 stories) (57 posts)
 
14 years ago (2010-03-31)
I think that many intelligent hauntings are mistaken for residual hauntings. I think that when you have ANY form of communication, poltergeist activity, or even the same apparition doing something "out of the norm," it is some type of intelligent haunting. Thank God you guys are now out of that house, and your daughter is okay. Now that Jerrica is a little older, have you asked her if she remembers anything, or are you waiting a few more years?
When I was born, we had a cat in the house called Hand-Me-Down, so I'm not going to give you flack at all for that. My grandmother's cat and I were very close, and she (the cat) never hurt me at all. My family is Mexican-American, and there's a VERY old belief that is you have a boy baby, you must get rid of any cats in the house, because cats will eat the "private parts," off a little boy. My great great grandmother swore she saw this happen once, but not to her kids. I don't really believe it, but it's interesting, and I thought I'd pass it along!
TessaLovee (4 posts)
 
14 years ago (2010-03-31)
Wow. Thats Really Scary And I Would Most Likely Move Out the Next Day. I have never Seen Anything But I Always Was interested In them. As Anything recently Happened. I would love to hear.
Take care.

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