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My Children Are In Danger on 2010-11-22

Please help us my son was taking a shower today, we were in the kitchen heard banging and screaming from the bathroom. My husband and I ran we tried to break the door down as our son was screaming like he was being murdered. We finally go in and my son collapsed in our arms still screaming scratches...

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ok to clear up and confusion I did say I did some research and I never said I wrote any of that either I also told you we werent christians but now believe we have to learn from somewhere don't we and some of what my son said can be proven and that was exactly my whole purpose of looking it up to see if it was actually written in the bible we don't know how to read the bible we don't understand the chapters and stuff so I copied and pasted this so I can ask the church when we go there you know I no longer care if you believe me or not I know what's true as I keep telling you and as for the nasty comments that's still ok I still believe you are entitled to your own opinions as for a cult pfffffff where do you get off with acussing of terrible things like that and iim sorry this is true I don't care anymore we told you we didn't believe before and because I investigate the words my son told me to which I'm entitled to do and especialy that I didn't know the bible but the things came from the bible or should I say biblical times arnt I entitled to look it up I actually posted it here hoping for feedback on if it was true what I have read so far I have read a lot more but will not post it now for feed back after your comments why would i.slag me off as much as you like its not going to stop me beleiving its not going to stop me from learning its not going to stop me helping my son I did havve more to say more has happened but why should I tell you now I have decided not to come back here ever I'm sorry for all those who do believe me and the people helping I will stay in touch with you still via email and I thank you so much for helping me all your advise we are still doing it and its working thankyou
i have only posted this as I have been doing some investigating in to what's happened and this is what I have found
Jesus' "brothers" - James as well as Jude, Simon and Joses - are mentioned in Matthew 13:55, Mark 6:3 and by Paul in Galatians 1:19. Since James' name always appears first in lists, this suggests he was the eldest among them.[14] Even in the passage in Josephus' Jewish Antiquities (20.9.1) the Jewish historian describes James as "the brother of Jesus who is called Christ,".

Paul refers to James, at that time the only prominent Christian James in Jerusalem, as an Apostle, hence his identification by some with James, son of Alphaeus. In Galatians 1:18 - 19, Paul, recounting his conversion, recalls "Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas, and tarried with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother."

While Christians believe that Jesus was, as the Son of God, born of a virgin, the relationship of James the Just to Jesus has been rendered difficult by the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox belief in the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, the belief that Mary's virginity continued even after Jesus' birth.

Now before any of you who do believe say that he's a half brother as some people believe. Wouldn't that have been a sin on Mary and Josephs part? If that's the case wouldn't the bible make mention of that?

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Jesus' brothers are mentioned in several Bible verses. Matthew 12:46, Luke 8:19, and Mark 3:31 say that Jesus' mother and brothers came to see Him. The Bible tells us that Jesus had four brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). The Bible also tells us that Jesus had sisters, but they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:56). In John 7:1-10, His brothers go on to the festival while Jesus stays behind. In Acts 1:14, His brothers and mother are described as praying with the disciples. Later, in Galatians 1:19, it mentions that James was Jesus' brother. The most natural conclusion of these passages is to interpret that Jesus had actual blood siblings.

Some Roman Catholics claim that these "brothers" were actually Jesus' cousins. However, in each instance, the specific Greek word for "brother" is used. While the word can refer to other relatives, its normal and literal meaning is a physical brother. There was a Greek word for cousin, and it was not used. Further, if they were Jesus' cousins, why would they so often be described as being with Mary, Jesus' mother? There is nothing in the context of His mother and brothers coming to see Him that even hints that they were anyone other than His literal, blood-related half-brothers.

A second Roman Catholic argument is that Jesus' brothers and sisters were the children of Joseph from a previous marriage, before he married Mary. An entire theory of Joseph's being significantly older than Mary, having been previously married, having multiple children, and then being widowed before marrying Mary is invented. The problem with this is that the Bible does not even hint that Joseph was married or had children before he married Mary. If Joseph had at least six children before he married Mary, why are they not mentioned in Joseph and Mary's trip to Bethlehem (Luke 2:4-7) or their trip to Egypt (Matthew 2:13-15) or their trip back to Nazareth (Matthew 2:20-23)?

There is no Biblical reason to believe that these siblings are anything other than the actual children of Joseph and Mary. Those who oppose the idea that Jesus had half-brothers and half-sisters do so, not from a reading of Scripture, but from a preconceived concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary, which is itself clearly unbiblical: "But he (Joseph) had no union with her (Mary) UNTIL she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus" (Matthew 1:25). Jesus had half-siblings, half-brothers and half-sisters, who were the children of Joseph and Mary. That is the clear and unambiguous teaching of God's Word.

Louie on Oct 29 2008, 08:05 PM, said:
He was human born to a human woman, what is so strange that he may have brothers and sisters.
Does anyone know what was the average size of a family back then, how many members was the norm.

Child mortality was very high, families had as many children as they could, many of them died, and the ones who lived where needed to work in whatever job their fathers took. While the females where seen more commodities overall, having a daughter meant gaining land, livestock and grandsons, so every child was a blessing. I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus had 10 siblings, maybe more. I just don't see a bit of evidence that any of them where older then him.

Oct 20, '09, 4:45 pm

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Re: Did the Virgin Mary have a sister?
Possibly. Scripture states:

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But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene (John 19:25).
Since it is unlikely that two daughters of the same parents would have the same first name of Mary, it is more likely that the wife of Clopas was a more distantly-related kinswoman.
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What About the Virgin Mary? (A Brief Catechism About Mary)

1. Why waste your time with a Marian catechism?; Jesus is the center of the Christian faith.

Is the moon any less important or lovely because the sun is the center of our solar system? Just as the moon is beautiful (yes, and beneficial) by reflecting the sun's light, so is Mary beautiful and beneficial to us by reflecting the Light and Glory of Christ.

Also, the New Testament has more material on Mary than on any other woman. That tells me that Mary is an important figure and that I ought to take notice.

2. What was Mary called among her people, and what does the name mean?

Among the Aramaic speaking Jews of her own time she was called "Maryam," the Hebrew version of which is "Miriam." There is some debate, but many scholars connect the name to a root whose meaning is "bitter." It was not lost on the early Christians, however, that the Aramaic form of her name could be broken down to two words meaning "Lord of the Sea" (Mar = Lord, Yam = Sea) which they saw as referring to Christ the "Fish." (The letters of the Greek word for "fish" were taken by early Christians to stand for "Jesus Christ God's Son Savior")

3. How old was Mary when she gave birth to Jesus?

We cannot, of course, say for certain, but a likely conjecture is between 14 and 17 years old.

4. How literally does the Church understand the doctrine of the Virgin Birth?

The Church has always understood that when St. Luke tells us (1: 27) that the angel Gabriel came to a "parthenos" (virgin) he meant it quite literally, and that when Mary asks the angel how she will bear a son since she "knows not a man" (that is, has not had intercourse) she was telling the truth. The Holy Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church, traditional Anglicans and Lutherans, as well as most conservative Protestant bodies believe the Virgin Birth to be a literal, historical fact: Jesus Christ was conceived in Mary's womb without the aid of a man and by the direct working of the Holy Spirit upon her.

There is, to be sure, a deeper theological meaning to the doctrine of the Virgin Birth in addition to the literal one. Almost everything and everyone in Scripture has a secondary, "typological" significance. In causing His Son to be conceived in an intact virgin, God was demonstrating that He was taking up His abode with men among "virgin Israel," that is, among the Righteous Remnant of His People.

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5. So, Mary has a symbolic, as well as historical, meaning as the Mother of Jesus Christ?

Absolutely! The early Fathers of the Church saw in Mary a personification, as I said, of Virgin Israel, the Righteous Remnant, out of whom was born the Messiah. Her very statement in her beautiful song of praise, the Magnificat, that "from henceforth all generations will call me blessed" recalls the promise to Abraham (and hence his people) that whoever blessed him (and them) God would bless.

To bless Mary (as did Gabriel, her cousin Elizabeth, and countless others through the ages) is to bless not only her, but also the Righteous Remnant of Israel to whom Jesus Christ came and among whom He first proclaimed the Kingdom of God.

The Church Fathers often call Mary the New Ark (i.e., of the Covenant). St. John tells us (1:14) "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." If one translates the Greek into Hebrew the word "dwelt" would be "shakhan," obviously from the same root as "Shekhinah," the Presence of God that rested upon the Holy Ark. John is saying quite forthrightly that Jesus is that Divine Presence, but no longer resting on an Ark of wood, He "pitched His tent among us" in the Womb of a living woman of flesh and blood.

6. Catholics and Orthodox call Mary ever-virgin. Isn't the Bible clear that Mary had other children?

Does the New Testament say Mary had other children? Read carefully now. St. Matthew (13: 55) and St. Mark (6:3) do give the names of those it calls Jesus' "brothers," namely, James, Joses, Simon, and Jude. However, if you look at Matthew 27: 56 and Mark 15: 40 you will see both Evangelists tell us quite clearly that James and Joses were NOT sons of Mary or Joseph but children of a different "Mary" who is called both the Wife of Alphaeus/Cleopas AND the Virgin Mary's "sister." Now, it would have been highly unlikely in those days for two Jewish sisters to have the same first name, but obviously some close relationship is implied among all these people. It's really fairly easily solved: Alphaeus/Cleopas was the brother of St. Joseph, hence Alphaeus' wife, Mary, was the sister-in-law of the Virgin, making James, Joses, Simon, Jude, and the "sisters" to be Jesus' cousins. That the Evangelists call such cousins "brothers and sisters" isn't surprising but quite in line with Semitic thought where close kin were often called brothers/sisters.

Also, read John 19:25-27 (NJB): Seeing his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing near her, Jesus said to his mother, "woman this is your son." Then to the disciple he said, "This is your mother." Thus, Jesus gave away his mother to the care of St. John the apostle, which would be very strange and probably even illegal had Mary had children of her own who could have cared for her.

One must also take into account the almost universal belief of Christians throughout the ages that Mary, the Mother of Jesus, whom we call the God-bearer, was ever-virgin. The majority of the ancient Fathers of the Church believed Mary was ever-virgin, including Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and St. Jerome. Many Reformers did as well (surprisingly to most Protestants) including Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, and John Wesley.

7. Doesn't Scripture say that Joseph "knew her not until she brought forth her firstborn son," implying other children?

In the Old Testament it is written that Michal had no child until the day of her death; does that mean she had one after she died? Of course not! The Evangelist, by stating that Joseph did not "know" Mary "until" she had given birth to Jesus, is simply re-emphasizing that this was a virgin birth, a birth caused by God and not man. St. Jerome, a language scholar, explained that the use of "until" is a Hebrew idiom which does not necessarily imply Mary had other children. Even John Calvin believed "firstborn" simply indicated that Mary was a virgin, and agreed with St. Jerome's assertions about the use of "until."

As for "first-born," Colossians 1: 15 calls Jesus the Firstborn of all creation in God's image. Does this mean that there is a second, third, fourth born? That would be heresy. A first-born can be the only born. The term "firstborn" also had an important meaning in Judaic religion: The firstborn was considered holy and belonging solely to God as it was written in the Torah, "The first son that opens the womb shall be holy to the Lord." The parents had to "redeem" the firstborn son with offerings and sacrifice. Firstborn also is a synonym for "preeminent" in this ancient usage.

8. Why is Mary called "Mother of God (Greek: theotokos)?" Could Mary give birth to God?

Mary was declared the "theotokos," Greek for God-Bearer, in early Christian worship, and the title was officially made doctrine at the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD. The term "theotokos" does not mean that Mary is somehow the mother of the Trinity, or that she existed at the beginning of time. Absolutely no informed or educated Christian believes this; it seems only those who would seek to mischaracterize catholic belief assert that we believe Mary is somehow the mother of the entire Godhead.

The history is a bit long and messy, but affirming Mary as mother of God has more to do with who Jesus is, than Mary. It has everything to do with Christ being fully God and human at the same time. Calling Mary God-Bearer simply affirms that Mary is the mother of the one person, Jesus Christ, who is both fully human and fully divine. This is all "theotokos" implies. Catholics, Orthodox, and the majority of Protestants accept the declarations of the Council of Chalcedon that call Mary "theotokos." This includes Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, and many Baptists.

9. Can you provide quotes from the Protestant reformers calling Mary "mother of God" and "ever-virgin?"

Of course. Let's start with Luther:

It is an article of the Faith that Mary is the Mother of the Lord and still a virgin...Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. The Works of Luther, by Weimar, translated by Pelikan.

In this work whereby she was made the Mother of God, so many and such great good things were given to her that no one can grasp them..." Ibid.

Calvin agreed Mary was the Mother of God and that her perpetual virginity was possible:

Elizabeth called Mary Mother of the Lord... The mortal man engendered in the womb of Mary was at the same time the Eternal God. The Works of Calvin, Berlin, 1863.

Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ's 'brothers' are sometimes mentioned... The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than until her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband... No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words... As to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called 'first-born'; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin..." Harmony of Matthew, Mark & Luke, sec. 39 (Geneva, 1562), vol. 2 / From Calvin's Commentaries, tr. William Pringle

Zwingli (Swiss reformer whose teachings influenced later Anabaptists, although they were more radical than he was) said similar things:

I esteem immensely the Mother of God, the ever chaste, immaculate Virgin Mary. The Works of Zwingli, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905.

The more the honor and love Christ grows among men, the more esteem and honor for Mary grows, for she brought forth for us so great and so compassionate a Lord and Redeemer." Ibid.

John Wesley, Anglican priest and founder of the Methodists (later became the Methodist Church) wrote this in a letter to a Roman Catholic, explaining the beliefs Anglicans and Roman Catholics share:

I believe... He [Jesus Christ] was born of the blessed Virgin, who, as well after as she brought him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin. "Letter to a Roman Catholic."

10. Zwingli used the word "immaculate" concerning Mary. Does this refer to the Immaculate Conception?

The Catholic Church teaches that Mary, who is "full of grace," and heralded as "the new Eve" by the Church Fathers, was without Original (and consequently actual) sin from the moment of her conception. The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is a belief specific to the Catholic Church, although many Eastern Church Fathers believed in it. Pope Pius IX declared the Immaculate Conception dogma in 1854, after a lively debate among Catholic theologians. However, it is not accepted by the Eastern Orthodox, the Oriental Orthodox (Copts, Armenians, et al), most Anglicans, or any Protestant group. Nonetheless, the concept of Mary being conceived immaculately is first clearly articulated by Eastern Church Fathers, beginning in the Syrian Church, around the 4th century. The Syrian Christians even likely celebrated a feast of the Immaculate Conception. However, after Monophysitism overtook Syria, the feast gradually fell out of use.

Having said that, however, it must be pointed out that the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox do call Mary the "all-blameless" and "all-holy." The Orthodox believe that Mary was born with a "tendency toward sin," just like any other descendant of Adam and Eve, and that at the Annunciation, when the Holy Spirit overshadowed her, Mary was completely sanctified. Thus while she may not have always quite understood everything Jesus was saying and doing, she did not commit any actual, willful sins. I have heard nearly the same idea expressed by many Anglicans and even by some Lutherans, both clergy and laity. Part of the division over the Immaculate Conception is that Eastern Christians do not conceive of Original Sin in the same way Western Christians do, as an inheritable condition. Thus, for many Easterners, there is no theological need for Mary to be born immaculately for her to be sinless. Some Orthodox theologians have even suggested the Orthodox would believe in the Immaculate Conception if they believed in the Western definition of Original Sin. Orthodox and Catholics seem to be getting at the same "mystery" that is Mary's role as Mother of God and her spotlessness as bearer of Christ. They disagree as to when it happened. Perhaps this recognition is a starting point for future unity on this matter? The Catholic Church celebrates the Feast of the Immaculate Conception on December 8.

One point to remember here is that, whether one holds to the Catholic dogma or the Orthodox doctrine, the cause of Mary's sinlessness (or all-blamelessness) is Christ. And whether she was totally sanctified from sin at her conception or sometime later, all agree that her holiness comes from Jesus Christ, not herself.

11. Was Mary Assumed Into Heaven? Is That in the Bible?

The Catholic Church, the Orthodox Churches, and many Anglicans, teach that Mary was assumed into heaven, body and soul. The Assumption was made dogma in 1950 by Pope Pius XII, but belief in the Assumption is much more ancient. Eastern Christians (including many Catholics) tend to believe that Mary fell asleep (died) before being taken to heaven. The Eastern Churches call this the Dormition of Mary. The Church Fathers relay stories of Mary's tomb being empty when the Apostles opened it up. Western Catholics conceive of Mary being assumed while still alive. What is the purpose of Mary's assumption? The Catholic Catechism states:

The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son's Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians (CCC 966).

In other words, Mary's assumption is not necessarily about elevating the person of Mary, as it is a preview and symbol of our own future resurrection. However, special people are often taken to heaven in special ways. The Bible tells us Elijah was assumed into heaven. Moses was thought to be taken into heaven in a special manner, mentioned in the apocryphal Assumption of Moses, a work quoted in the New Testament Letter of Jude.

In answer to the second part of the question, the Assumption is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible. However, in Revelation we read of a "woman clothed with the sun," thought to be Mary in ancient Christian Scriptural interpretation. If this interpretation is true, then St. John attests to Mary's presence in heaven, body and soul. We must remember that neither Catholic nor Orthodox Christians hold to the Reformation tradition of sola scriptura, i.e. That all doctrine must be proved by Scripture alone. Catholics and Orthodox (and the early Church) see no contradiction between the two, and recognize that truth unfolds through Holy Tradition. Thus something hinted at in Scripture, like the Assumption of Mary, is more fully demonstrated by Tradition. The Catholic Church and Eastern Churches celebrate the Feast of the Assumption of Mary on August 15.

12. All of this makes me think, but, why do you pray to Mary? Isn't that worshiping her?

I'll let the early Father and Bishop, Epiphanius of Salamis (4th Century) answer: "Let Mary be held in honor, but let the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit alone be worshiped; let no one worship Mary" (Panarion 3.2:7). And yet, this early bishop has no trouble asking the intercession of the Mother of God.

If I come to you and ask you to pray for me, am I worshipping you? Paul asked the recipients of his epistles to pray for him; was he "worshipping" them by that request?

13. But I am alive, as was Paul's audience. Mary is dead.

So far you have been asking the theoretical questions, now let me ask you a question: Do you believe that what Jesus said is true? If you say yes, hear him now:

I am the Resurrection and the Life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. (St. John 11: 25-26, RSV)

"Shall never die." That means that everyone who has "lived and believed" in Jesus from then until now is what? Alive! For as Jesus told the Sadducees, "God is not a God of the dead but of the living, for all live unto Him" (Luke 20:38 KJV). This includes Mary, the One who was the God-bearer.

14. But that still doesn't mean she hears us when we ask her prayers.

That has never seemed problematic to me. The saints who have left this earth are outside time and are "in God" who is present to everything and everyone in all times and all places all at once. The author of Hebrews in fact tells us "...we are surrounded by a so great a cloud of witnesses" (Heb 12:1, RSV), that is, surrounded by the martyrs and saints. The Church has always taken this quite literally. HOW this can be so is beyond my ken or feeble ability to explain, but if I accept the Word of God, I must accept that it is so. That the earliest Christians believed the saints could be asked for their prayers is beyond question. We have found at Christian grave sites from as far back as the first century itself, graffiti on tombs that say things like, "Aufidia, little daughter now with the Lord, pray for us," or "Matrona, dear wife, you are with Christ, remember me in your prayers!"

Granted, sometimes there have been excesses when people have gotten carried away and asked more of the saints (including Mary) than just their prayers, going against actual Church teaching on the saints. Neither Mary nor the other saints (nor God for that matter) are "holy vending machines" at our whim. This is why many Protestants (even those who confess belief in the communion of saints in the Nicene Creed) will not directly ask the prayers of the saints. However, many ignore the saints altogether (rather like tossing Baby out with the bathwater, if you ask me), but others like Lutherans, Methodists, and Presbyterians will commemorate the saints, either on one day a year (All Saints' Day) or on a specific memorial day for a certain saint. In which case the prayer used is often something like this: "O God, we thank and praise you for St. Such-and-such, for his/her life and witness. Grant us to follow his/her example etc." The liturgy of the Lutheran Church (surely the MOST Protestant of all!) even asks God to unite the prayers of the congregation with the prayers of God's people of all times and places. When you come right down to it and in spite of some nitpicking amongst the various churches, doesn't it all boil down to the same thing - that when we pray, worship, and intercede, we are not alone but are surrounded by the Cloud of Witnesses, are united with those that came before, who are still our brothers and sisters in Christ?

If you cannot, as yet, directly ask Mary to pray with and for you, at least thank the Father for her, for her openness to say "Yes!" to the angel, for her standing by the cross of her Son, for her being there in prayer with the Apostles on Pentecost, for her life and witness. You might even ask God to join your prayers and praises to hers and to those of all the saints of Heaven and earth, reminding yourself that you are not alone, but belong to a Great Choir of prayer and adoration.

15. This has been helpful. I don't understand it all, but I'm rethinking some things.

I hope I have helped. For me, as a Catholic, praying with Mary draws me nearer to Him whom she bore, my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. If Jesus is my King, then His Mother is the Queen Mother and surely is due honor for that alone, but more than that, I believe (as the Church has taught me) that Mary is also our Mother. When Jesus, from the cross gave Mary to St. John..."Son, behold your Mother," he was giving her to all of us. And what good mother does not love to pray for her children?

I would like to end with this ancient prayer in honor of Mary:

Rejoice of God-bearing Virgin, Mary full of grace! The Lord is with you! Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the Fruit of your womb: For you have given birth to the Savior of our souls!

Truly it is right to bless you, O God-bearer, for you are most blessed, most pure, and the Mother of our God. O higher than the cherubim! More glorious than the seraphim! Without corruption, you gave birth to God the Word: True God-bearer, we magnify you! +Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit: both now and ever and to ages of ages. Amen.

Written by David Morrison; Minor Contributions: David Bennett
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i will not apologise for telling the truth but I will appologise if my statements offeneded anyone it wasn't my intention to offend anyone but I told what happened which is what I said I would do as for the story it is all true its our experience of what happened to us
i assure you we are two entirly differnt people but we are family I assure you my story is true iam not in a court like you say I'm here on the page I wrote my story of the events that happened to me and my family I assure you you are wrong iam confident people who helped me and my family know they did and will continue to do so. I trust that god will show you all the truth. And I will not be judged by him for telling the truth or wrongly accussing people of things iam happy and confident that Spirit of our God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Most Holy Trinity, Immaculate Virgin Mary, angels, archangels, and saints of Heaven will guide and protect me keep my family safe from all that can harm us
pjod, I for one will not apologise for something I haven't done. You are wrong. But it is your opinion to which we are all entitled to have, but its like this I'm not buying into your web of negitivity and destruction. Nor am I going to be upset with you, instead I will forgive you. Forgive you for your malace comments, your ignorance, your sceptism, your hurtful lies, your judgement, and your sarcasim. Its not your fault you wernt here, you didn't live it, you don't know any of us you just read my story about the events that happened to us and its human nature to question to find answers. I respect all of your comments but with all my mum, and my family and the people helping us have been through do you realy think we need this. I'm here to say no we dont, we don't need negitivity we don't need malace comments we don't need sceptism, we don't need the sarcasim we don't need hurful lies directed at those that helped and those of us that lived it. Like I said I forgive you god bless you with love, kindness and understanding
zz-grany
How exactly was your son communicating with the angels?...Did they appear to any one else, and if so: did they appear as flesh and blood?...How did the message that the battle had ended reach you?.
By talking and no not flesh and blood. Flesh and blood are like us yes we all seen like a light a bubble a silloette the way I describe it is a bubble with the out line of a person thick white outline the light was bright... The angels told my son he said its ended and they won we can go home now and that its gone they defeated it
pjod I'm sorry if my spelling offends you but I'm not good at it at all. I'm not trying to be anyone I'm me and I was nevouse and terrifyed when I wrote signed up I thought I put concerned parent but when I tryed to sign in it so happened I wrote conered parent a simple mistake I'm not a good typist and don't use the computer much I think I may be pressing wrong keys I appoligise I'm sorry and I'm just typing I'm not stoping to think about things just posting my story and my thanks and my thoughts
iam sorry this has caused so much negitivity, blame,dout,and confusion, arguments and hurt. I did what I said I would do. I said id keep you informed and I did. I said id post the updates and I did or mum did for me. I put my e-mail up and a few used it a helpful few and I responded, I said id answer all questions and I did, I'm sorry its not what you wanted to hear, but it is the truth, Its what we all went threw and are still going threw. This really makes me sad that you all wanted to know, you all asked me to update you, and when I do you don't believe me, even tho I put my trust in you all. I put my family into your hands not knowing how to deal with this myself. I asked for help and that's what I'm receiving. I did what you all said to do and now that you didn't get the update you wanted you didn't get what you thought you would, you start to fight,argue,blame hurt me and question all that helped me, just from me telling the truth. Now tell me that's from caring people trying to help. I think not. I see in your comments envy of those that got credit for the advise and help they gave. I see hurtful childish stone throwing blame, I see questioning of beleifs of others dout, I see confussion as to why this happened this way and how people helped, I see a lot of arguing. Don't you all think for one second that I haven't thought about these same things you mention in your comments, Iam this boys mother iam living this with him as we speak. Of course I have, and its all worrying, frightening, and all so weird to me too. But hey this thing made us do exactly what you are all doing here. I tryed to prove my story but you still dout and some are quite cruel in there comments. I wish you would all stop with this negitivity I realise you all have an opinion to express but could you do it tackfully without all the hurtfulness blame and dout.
god bless you all protect you all and keep you all safe I wish you all goodness and kindness
i will let her know rook and I'm sure she will be ever so grateful and to all that don't believe what happened and think its so way out there I do too think its way out there like I said we didn't beileve this stuff before but we do now we have lived it truly amazing from one extreme to another but I swear its all true my neighbours will say its true my mother inlaw supported us by phone we flead our home and stayed away we have witnesses to these facts greeta galloway look her up on face book you will see for your self you see we do have witnesses in this but you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that
zzsgranny in answer to your question no we are not aboriginal I have spanish and english irish in my blood my husband has noweigen and welsh maybe more but yeah we arnt aboriginal
DCinAZ I'm sorry you feel this way all of what I have said is the whole truth I swear to it my entire family will say the same my entire neighbourhood so I'm very sorry you don't believe us but that's ok we are all entitled to our own opinions I guess this is yours all of what mazza says is the truth also she is my mother inlaw everyone else that commented also I believe as they did help us god bless you
rook, my neighbour is here with me now and agrees her home is a lot calmer she feels she still has something watching and would like you to continue to protect her by white lighting her home and family just as mum and the angels are doing with mine and she also thanks you
id just like to also say you are all so caring and youve put your belifes and knowledge out there on the table to help my family I realy appriciate that I know for some of you that was a hard thing to do but there is so much my family and I believe in that we knew nothing about before or even heard of for that matter and for opening our eyes to that I also thankyou