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redphx (4 stories) (827 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
I can understand why the previous owner would be so mad at you. I think it's because you mentioned improvements and that you wanted/loved it as your own. He may have felt you were trying to take the house away from him. I think that you should appologize and tell him that you don't want to take the house away from him. You obviously upset him. He seemed quite content in the back rooms just watching until you made the initial contact. Now he knows you know he is there and he doesn't want you around. I would say sorry and see where it leads you.

You are not crazy you are experiencing an intelligent haunting.
KimSouthO (27 stories) (1960 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
I know you have gotten a lot of advice on here, and I want to say take what you want and leave the rest. Just like everything else, this is a forum and you will have a lot of information from a lot of sorces with a lot of different beliefs and a lot of opionions. You know what opinions are like... Everybody has one!

That being said, I felt just like you when I first visited this forum. I had be told I was weird, imaginative, you name it, I think it was said. But, enough of that. You are having some serious issues in your home. Until you decide to leave, it is YOUR home. Take charge and tell 'it' to leave. I am not sure how you feel about religous or spiritual information, but there are some great instructions on the internet to cleansing a home.

Just in my own opinion (again, we know what opinions are like) tell 'it' to leave, that you are not going to tolerate 'it' any longer and it needs to go to the light; if 'it' can not or will not go to the light, that is not you, or your childrens problem. 'It' can not remain in your home. Say some prayers, add a cross to each of your rooms. Wear a cross.

If your son had the incident in the bathroom, there may be other incidents that your children are not telling you about wether out of fear or worry.

Take back the home and take back the energy that you are giving to this 'it'. Protect your self and your children.

I look forward to hearing form you again,
God Bless!
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
A lot of the skepticism and disbelief from the general public I think is partially denial. Some people just can't deal with the idea that there's something out there beyond our control and understanding, so it's easier to say "that's not real" than to accept that it is what it is. Of course, another part of it is that there are probably a lot of people that don't have things like this happen to them, and as they say, you can't truly understand someone until you're in their shoes. I'll be looking forward to your updates in the future!
Justwanttobeleftalone (1 stories) (11 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
D*Angel... That is a great idea! The old man absolutely doesn't believe any of this, so I should help cram his a** in there instead of having to do it myself. Genius. Let's see how unafraid he is when he crawls the length and his only light is the flashlight 😆

I am going to read your guys' stories tonight when I get back. I need to know what is happening to real people out there. And if these things do happen such that there is a perfectly sane, professional looking site surrounding this topic, why is there such a paucity of belief - or at least, suspension of disbelief done just long enough - to try to understand a loved one who is confessing disturbing or odd events? This house's feel has turned so dramatically since that incident a few+ months ago, that I guess I'm at the other side now. I firmly believe in this stuff and will not treat anyone with automatic skepticism when they're finally ready to talk about something as unsettling (and apparently socially unacceptable) as a troubling series of unexplainable events.

I'm going to get a calendar with the moon phases - and one that is big enough to have space for notations. As things go, I will continue to post and interact with you guy in other threads too... It'll be interesting to see how others live in peace in these situations. Maybe acceptance is something that will help me go back in my heart to the way it was here before.

Rock on, you guys...
Justwanttobeleftalone (1 stories) (11 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
Pjod; this is another 'funny' comment that you posted just now about this incident with the crawlspace and that you theorize that there was anger that we were having fun outside of the house. When this all really started in earnest after my chat with the sitter/seemingly-one-sided chat in the back room, I really was *dreading* the spectre of moving. My babysitter friend suggested that that was why I should move - I was becoming too attached to the house. She said she noticed that I had been going out and doing things less and less. I assured her that I was quite broke and also that now that the littlest ones were a bit older, that I felt less like I needed a 'break' every week or so, and that it was also easier to get out *with* the kids to do things because everyone was finally ambulatory. She said that she wasn't sure she believed me completely because she'd see my eyes brim with tears everytime she'd or I would mention us moving. I'm normally not emotional in that particular way, so I saw her point. I told her honestly, that I was happiest at home in the house - and that I thought we all were. I felt that me and the kids truly loved being at home and I didn't see anything wrong with that.

Since that night and my 'talk' in the back, it's hard for me to remember from where I sit now that just a short time ago, I had actually gotten to the point where I mildly disliked leaving the house even for short times and had become something of a homebody. It's not that I don't enjoy living here at all overall or am always scared when I'm here (I absolutely am not; I wish to be clear), but my intense love for this house seems like a bit of a surreal memory. I don't hate it here in the least, but my serious attachment has just evaporated. We'll move fairly nearby I'm sure, but I feel less 'chased out' (at least the majority of the time) than I am just done and ready to move on. It's actually quite sad, really. I haven't been attached to a house with love as I was to this place, since I left my childhood home. My ex and I had owned four houses total in our time together and lived in rentals in between and while I remember each place fondly, I was never really *attached* to any place particularly, until this one. Does that make sense? But now it's just gone. 😢

I know I'm prattering on, my comments are long and I keep repeating myself, but I cannot say enough what a weight has been lifted from my shoulders just talking freely about this with you all. I have never completely discussed these things with anyone and having people listen without judgement and help put things together in a sane way is just a Godsend. I guess I need to get to business because I'm shocked at the time. I've got to get my daughter soon and take her to her tutor, but I feel 10lbs lighter in my shoes and far less in the darkness, I guess, as I was. Thank you all for sharing your time with me, lifting my burden and giving me an actual course of action to take control of our lives here. I know everyone out there is busy with life as it is - and many of you are probably in situations like mine yourselves. Know that I am grateful.

I'll probably be back here tonight. And I WILL keep you guys updated as things happen and/or I discover what answers can be discovered. I owe this group. Once again, thank you all very much.
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
Miracles--I read BJJ's "Odd" journal today and it TOTALLY slipped my mind to recommend that! Thanks for mentioning your journal. ❤

That's something else you can try. Keep a journal of all the activity, even if it seems a little mundane, for your own sanity as well as documenting purposes. Later on you can look back and see if there are any patterns, as others have suggested. Moon phases, times of day/night, specific events that might have triggered the activity, etc.

And I'm with you there, sister! Heck, I'd take it a step further and send your man up there instead, since he's so big and brave and doesn't believe in ghosts. 😉
Miracles51031 (38 stories) (4976 posts) mod
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
Justwanttobeleftalone - click on my name if you'd like to take a look at some of my families stories. I have 19 stories listed. Most of them are the "good" ghost stories. I like those the best cause they show that all ghosts aren't here to scare us to death. I've had a couple of incidents that I haven't put on here. They scared me really bad and I just haven't shared them with too many people. But my kids and I've experienced them everywhere we've lived. It's gotten to be second nature to just record our experiences in my Journal. I've just recently (end of Jan.) starting recording in my bedroom. I was really glad Devious suggested that to you. I've picked up several words on my DVR. Anyway, if you're interested, our stories are on here.
Justwanttobeleftalone (1 stories) (11 posts)
 
10 years ago (2011-02-25)
DeviousAngel - I have never been nuts about crawlspaces either. That said, I do have some of my things in this particular section of the crawlspace, so I have put things up there, but not really paid attention to the space itself beyond shoving boxes up there to the shoulder. I think I am going to get up there and try to check it thoroughly - but you can bet your buns that I am waiting until my old man is right there holding the ladder and that it's broad-frigging-daylight to boot. 😉
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
maybe, just a theory, maybe your spirit was angry, with you and the little ones running around outback, having fun, enjoying your snowday, inside and out of the home...you're creating positive energy. If theory proves correct, and negative engergy feeds a negative spirit...well, I guess you get my point. Of course, none of this can be proven, but my advice would be to keep it up... Maybe your ghost will find another place to reside, should the positive energy, along with a cleansing, push him out.
Miracles51031 (38 stories) (4976 posts) mod
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
Justwanttobeleftalone - something you said in your original story made me come back and comment. I meant to do it in my first comment, but forgot. I'm paraphrasing here, but you said you were worried you were losing your mind. Wow, I know exactly how you feel, as do many of the other people on this site.

I just wanted to let you know you aren't alone and you aren't crazy. Well, maybe not about this anyway, cause I freely admit I am 😆. Anyway, I started a Journal in 2002 because activity was increasing and I seriously thought I was losing my mind. This Journal, and this site, saved my sanity.

There are a great bunch of people here. Sometimes strangers understand what we're going through better than those we are around every day.
Justwanttobeleftalone (1 stories) (11 posts)
 
10 years ago (2011-02-25)
Miracles (et al.)... I wonder why kids 'see' these things this way (red, though - that one seems like it'd be worse or scarier, if that makes sense - are things 'bad' in your house?). I once heard another story and read one on this site about kids seeing a 'black' man and it startled me - that's *exactly* how my limited vocab son described it of his own volition.

I wonder why kids seem to 'see' things more readily than we do. My 3 year old doesn't seem to have things happen to him routinely or even rarely, or at least he doesn't say anything about it or interact with anything. It seems mainly to be focusing on me, and yet, I never, ever see anything. Based upon your comments, you haven't seen anything such as your son sees, either, though you believe you have a haunting. Interesting.

I wish I had found this group several months ago!
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
Wow...the event with the crawlspace is really something. The first time it came open, it was almost like a subtle "hey" *nudgenudge*. The second time was a very blatant "I'M HERE, dammit! Notice me!"

Have you ever been INTO that crawlspace before? Do you know what's in there? I mean, personally I'd be afraid to go in there now but it may be that your 'houseguest' wants you to see or find something in there that may give you insight as to why it's still hanging around. It might even be warning you against something, though I'm not sure because that was a pretty destructive move on its part. I would also suggest that if you DON'T want to go in there, try putting a new bolt-lock of some kind or a key-lock on the crawlspace and see if that fixes your problem, in the unlikely but possible event that something natural caused it to fall open like that.

Crawlspaces have always freaked me out a bit.
Miracles51031 (38 stories) (4976 posts) mod
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
Justwanttobeleftalone - I just wanted to let you know that the "man" your son saw is the same way my son sees our ghosts. My son is now 9, but he has always seen them this way. From the first time he saw his first "ghost man" he saw him as "black." He did see a red one once that scared him really bad, but other than that he has only seen them in black form.
Justwanttobeleftalone (1 stories) (11 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
Re: "It actually sounds to me like there are two spirits there. There is an indoors one, which is probably stuck in your house, and that's the one that breathes on your hands. The one that your son saw was probably a second outside-spirit, which cannot come into your home for whatever reason. It's possible that the spirit in your home is protecting you from the one outside."

Wow! **This** idea surely never occurred to me. Incidentally, I have a motion sensitive light on the outside of that side of the house that goes on and off at odd times occasionally when clearly nothing is moving out there. I thought the light maybe had an odd, intermittent short or that I had an elecrical gremlin - maybe I *do* have those things, but the light otherwise functions normally 95% of the time. A corporeal person has to pace near the light to trip it on normally. Hm.

The side door *near* that light is the door from my kitchen to the side yard. I was cooking lunch one day and clearly heard two distinct knocks on the glass of the kitchen door. My son and daughter were in the sandpit near that door - about 10 feet away, I suppose. When I opened the door, they looked up at me and I demanded to know why they'd knocked and that I'd let them know when lunch was actually ready. They swore up and down they hadn't knocked, but I hadn't honestly believed them. Figured they were pulling my leg. Maybe it *wasn't* them doing it after all. Creepy!

You're right. Discussing this with people who are at least open to discussion and helping me are kind of helping me put weird on-off events together for a bigger picture. At least it's nice to know that I'm probably not crazy (at least in this regard) and that other people have this stuff happen to them.

Thank you guys so much, especially you, DeviousAngel. I really am grateful. It's oddly a relief to get the feedback you all are giving me. At least I feel like I can maybe do something constructive about this.

I will run a camera and/or a recorder. Maybe as soon as today if I can get to it. If I get any concrete evidence of the existence of this thing, I will post it here for you all.
Justwanttobeleftalone (1 stories) (11 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
DeviousAngel - I am going to print out your post. Thank you, I am going to try to act on your suggestions and they all sound reasonable. And believe me, your post wasn't over-long - this is good data for me. Since my original post was created a few days ago, I had something odd happen that came to mind when I read your response today. Me and the kids have had a great couple of days because we had an unexpected snow day. The four of us (me and the kids) were out in the yard playing together when I heard a huge crash *from inside the house*. Now, it was a windless day and nothing out of the ordinary was happening weather-wise. When I came in to look, I noticed a ceiling-level crawlspace door about mid-hallway had unlatched and swung down on it's hinges with such force that when it hit the wall, its metal handle was actually twisted. A tall (about 42" x 28") picture hanging below but clear of the door had been jarred off of the wall (by the impact, I think), again with such evident forced that it knocked into the opposite wall where it put a deep gouge in the drywall. The picture itself was wedged sorta sideways between walls, effectively blocking the hallway. Glass shards, some as long as two feet were shattered all over the carpeting. It was a startling mess - and frankly, that picture meant A LOT to me.

That discovery effectively ended our 'outside' fun because I had to keep the kids in the back playroom so that I could clean the mess; they run up and down that hallway constantly and I had to make sure every buggering sliver had been vacuumed/picked up, etc. Grrrr. So if this is a haunting, it sure doesnt' *like* us having fun. I knew we'd have a snowday in advance so we'd also had a popcorn/movie night in the living room the night before, in addition to sled riding and fun in the backyard in a rare snowfall - when this happened.

Point is, I can't 'write it off' so easily because in nearly two years, those crawlspace doors don't just flop open. Never had in all of this time of getting in and out of them as I've lived here and shifted storage for holidays, etc. This particular door, however, *had* opened on it's own for the first time about three weeks ago. I figured I'd made a mistake when I'd closed it putting Christmas stuff away, so I made damned sure it was latched when I put it back in place that first time. There had been no dramatic damage that first pop and I didn't think anything of it at all; thus, I didn't mention that first pop in my original post as odd.

When I discovered this mess on Wednesday afternoon this week, I have a hard time seeing how it could have happened or how it could have caused the physical damage that it did cause. As I say, I heard it boom from the house while I was in the back yard playing with three hollering kids - so it clearly had opened with considerable force. I have to say, that shook me up.

Incidentally, my 8 year old saw the mess, she asked how it could've happened and I couldn't honestly say, but didn't want her to be spooked or worried. I told her I must not have latched it well when I closed it, but I know for a fact that I had done so.

I'm ready to try your suggestions because it seems like things maybe are escalating some. Thanks a bajillion to you and the other posters.
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
I completely understand how you feel. I've tried talking to some people in my life about the experiences I've had, and on occasion I've gotten a sardonic laugh and something to the effect of "you were probably tired" or "you have a great imagination."

It wasn't until I joined this site that I gained confidence in myself and understood that I wasn't a kookoo, or at least that others were kookoo with me. 😆

But I'm glad you came here. There are a lot of people on here who can give excellent advice, even if you have to sift through a little preachiness or doubt to get to it. I sincerely hope that things get fixed for the best, however you have to do it.

Also, one thing I forgot to suggest (if it's not too spooky for you) is you can try leaving out a video or voice recorder, or both, to try and catch the spirit in action. Try asking a few simple questions like "why are you here?" and "what is your name?" If you're fortunate, you might get a few answers on tape and the responses could shed some light on whatever souls may be stuck there. Or it could shed light on exactly what type of spirit is haunting your home.

It actually sounds to me like there are two spirits there. There is an indoors one, which is probably stuck in your house, and that's the one that breathes on your hands. The one that your son saw was probably a second outside-spirit, which cannot come into your home for whatever reason. It's possible that the spirit in your home is protecting you from the one outside.
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
Let me also add, I am sure there is nothing medically wrong with you. The fact your 3yr old witnessed the very first thing to happen, says it all to me.
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
I don't think she mentioned being asleep while the lil one was in the tub. It was 7pm and she watched the lad run out of the bathroom and down the hall...anyway. Too much of a coincidence that your 3yr old saw this shadow man right after your rant to the walls of your home. My guess is, someone who has been there all along, heard you, and didn't like what you had to say. It may have seemed innocent, and well intentioned to you... But this being possibly took it as you coming in to make changes and such.
You should not be terrorized in your home... So try a cleansing or maybe talk to a local priest, for your kids sake.
Justwanttobeleftalone (1 stories) (11 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
Let me clarify, so that people don't fear or worry for us or the children.

My 3 year old son wasn't bathing unsupervised or while I was sleeping. I have another child who had just turned 2 or was ready to turn two when the 'bathtub incident occured. Anyway, I had to run out of the bathroom to attend to the 2 year old because I heard him holler (he can't really bathe *with* his 3 year old brother - suffice it to say, I don't have enough hands and they get crazy when they're together in the bath (and they're slippery). I have to be fairly strict because it's me and three kids - two of whom are very young - and thus, fairly mindful of rules especially without his brother to increase the excitement in the tub, my 3 year old isn't an immediate danger to himself in the tub as my 2 year old still is. But no, I bathe the children personally, make sure they're clean, etc. I stepped out of the bathroom to attend to my other kid in the living room and that's why I was near and looking that way when I saw my 3'er shoot naked across the hall.

Second, I wanted to be honest about the drinking because that can absolutely affect perception and judgement and thus is cogent to my claims. I went out and met my boyfriend that night on a date and came home alone and hung out with the above mentioned babysitter. If I go out, generally, when I come home we'll chat socially whether I've been drinking or not until I'm ready for bed. She works for an agency, is clean and sober, background checked, etc. And I pay a premium for people like this. In this case, she and I have become friendly a bit. But I don't get drunk or buzzed at home. I went out, came home and talked to the sitter for about an hour, but I remember everything fine and wasn't 'falling down' drunk - but I can say, I wouldn't have made the speech I did in the playroom if I *hadn't* been drinking, so I think that the advice to not drink until this lease is over is well given. To that point, I 'felt' something throughtout my previous year-plus in the house, but had lived-and-let-live where the house was concerned and didn't disturb that peace by communicating. When I did something I wouldn't normally have done had I been completely sober, I shattered that peace. The good news is, that since my sitters are pretty expensive, my going out to party on any level is pretty rare. I'm a social 'out' drinker, not a home drinker - because, frankly, it's three against one in this place;)

Finally, I do no drugs of any kind. I smoked my last joint 20 years ago and gave it up as a bad job; that stuff didn't agree with me.

I should have added the above in the story, so no worries... It is necessary to be clear about this stuff so that people reading my comments can have a better understanding of what is happening here.

Thanks SO MUCH for the many comments! I feel a lot better about this - and no, no one mentioned above believes me - and one friend thinks I'm having a nervous breakdown or something. When the latter friend sent me a panicked message about a nervous breakdown, I decided to keep quiet about what was happening. Except for her, no one thinks I'm hysterical; that's not the kind of person I am, but suffice it to say, that they are worried that I'm not getting enough sleep, am dreaming all of this, etc. Surrounded by these opinions and some knowledge of brain disorders, I'd begun to maybe think that they were right (not about the nervous breakdown; that was just silly)! You hear from peoplel all the time... "... I was beginning to think I was crazy..." as regards things like this. I totally sympathize with these people, now. I doubt my senses like I never have before.
longtimebeliever (2 stories) (10 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
I for one enjoy drinking my liquor, but if your having these issues I would hold off on the drinking until you move out. Being intoxicated does amplify what a spirit can do. You need all your senses as sharp as possible especially if this thing tries meesing with you kids again.
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm not going to lecture you on drinking or anything like that because let's face it, every now and then the average person has a crappy day or just wants to toss a few back, and there you have it. Stuff happens. 😆 I don't think you came here to be chastised.

At any rate, I do agree that this sounds like an intelligent haunting. Before you decide that you don't want to live there any more, there are other avenues that you can take. If the decision to move is based solely on the fact that you WANT to move, and has NOTHING to do with these experiences, then by all means make the move. However, DO NOT let ANY entities, living or otherwise, scare you out of your own home. It is YOUR home, and YOUR family. There are entities (not saying this one in particular but it IS possible) that will follow you and your family no matter where you go, so abandon the idea that it will stop the hauntings if you move. It could, but why give up a house that you love on the chance that it might help?

Now about what you CAN do.

Firstly, I would suggest talking to a local medium or paranormal investigation team. I've heard that there are some great ones out there and the only ones you want to deal with are not the type that you have to pay for. They come in on a voluntary basis for scientific investigative purposes. They can gather evidence and possibly communicate with any spirits that may be in or around your house, and help you get rid of them or at least understand why they are there. I think it would be good to have your boyfriend take the kids on a short one or two day vacation while they investigate this issue.

By the way, what does your boyfriend have to say about all this? It doesn't sound like anyone believes you, and I think maybe that's why you're so frustrated. I don't blame you!

Another thing you can try is a sage cleansing. I know it sounds old world and hokey, but for many people here, it has really helped. Take either sage candles/incense or actual dried sage and burn it. Allow the smoke to permeate every room in your house, and pronounce aloud that you are taking back your home and any spirits lingering behind are not welcome. The worst thing that could happen is your house smells like sage, which... IMO smells pretty good anyway, so your kids would probably just think you were cooking. Of course, it might not be a bad idea to cook something with sage in it to reinforce this theory. 😆

There are some other recommendations you can try which have helped too. I'm not sure if you're religious or not, but there are other folks here who have suggested calling upon various figures such as Mary, the saints, Jesus, etc and keeping protective talismans around your house.

Whether you're religious or not, you can try using purified or holy water, which you can usually get from a Catholic church, and try sprinkling that around your rooms. Even folks who aren't religious have tried this method with successful results.

The number one thing I would recommend is to fill your home with as much positive energy as you possibly can to "choke" out whatever might be hanging around. Spend a day at home with the family and do all that you can together to laugh and enjoy being there. Watch a movie together, play a game, bake something, whatever you have to do to get the whole family involved and having fun. It will flood your home with the most positive feeling and if this is a negative entity, it will have nothing to feed off of and will most likely move on.

Whew! Sorry for such a long response but I really hope this helps.
erin19 (1 stories) (41 posts)
 
10 years ago (2011-02-25)
I agree with lyn rin th, a 3 year old shouldn't be taking a tub alone!
lynrinth (guest)
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10 years ago (2011-02-25)
There's only one thing wrong with your house. You know it already. It's haunted. Period. It could of of a former owner who wants you and your family gone. And another thing. What is your 3 year old doing taking a bath, ALONE, while you are sleeping?! You didn't say whether your boyfriend was up and watching your son. It's dangerous for a 3 year old to be in the tub alone, and not have an adult around. Okay. Done lecturing. But I think you know all this. Anyway, this entity knows now you and your family is aware of it, and wants your attention. Sounds like an intelligent haunting. Meaning, the ghost is aware of people living in the house. Only you know what is really going on in your house. If your gut tells you what it is, trust it. Also, being drunk around a ghost is not a good idea. Drinking and drugs makes you more vulnerable. Few months to go. If desperate, then maybe you'll have to make the lease to leave. It made cost you, but for peace of mind, it would be worth it. Try praying, telling it to go-this is MINE house for the time being. You must be strong. It's harder to do, but this thing feeds off your fear. Stay calm. Be watchful, and definitely beware of what your children going through. Someone I know on this site offer more helpful advice.

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