Comments for My Battle Against Hell And Satan's Demons: Page 1

If that is what you are facing then I will pray for you, regardless I will pray for you and pray for me because I'm not perfect either. In the meantime I am done answering questions I have already answered and done debating off topic garbage.

baensidhe I guess the word "was" doesn't mean anything to you, you need to learn to read a bit better before you open your mouth. You all can gang up all you want, I hope to God you are never in a position were you loose loved ones so early in life when you think it shouldn't be there time. Goodluck if you ever have to face what I have, really. I see a lot of insecurities opening up in a lot of you, maybe it's your internal demons or the devil that has such a grip over you that the only way you can respond, in anger and disrespect. Maybe it's becuase you just can't accept the fact of who your creator really is and who are God really is and who gave you the opportunity of life here and after and then threw it in his face, because YOU know better right?

MissyM's comment was in no way disrespectful, and I invite anyone else to disagree with me on that if that is the case. On the contrary, you have been disrespectful to everyone else but you seem to see through rose-colored glasses when it comes to your views of your own behavior. No one was judging you there. She made a very honest observation. Are you disagreeing that taking drugs and alcohol in excess is abusing the body that, by your belief, God gave you?

I am not on the defensive because you don't share my beliefs. Honestly I think I have been quite understanding in using examples/reasoning that coincide with your own beliefs. The example I gave was not science vs religion, it was simply an example of how interpreting something one way for a year does not make you more accurate than someone who interpreted it differently for ten minutes. I have had my own experiences which could not be scientifically explained, so I am not saying that things without explanation through logic and science do not happen. If that was my belief, I would not be here!

You were in the first person perspective of this (for the most part), but that does not mean that you had the clearest view of what was going on. You do not seem to have the clearest view of what is going on in the NOW, so how can we "have faith" in what you said was happening THEN?

I agree that baensidhe made a great point and I hope you will address that.

baensidhe has an excellent point. Please address that, HellRaiser.

Also, when I read this story, it seems more like a evangelical testimony than an honest paranormal experience. And judging from your reponses, HellRaiser, I would agree that it seems you are trying to start a religious debates. There are many religious forums on the internet. This is not one of them.

Pray for yourself first, and please get some third party help.

Sorry you feel that way devious, but you are obviously taking what I said the wrong way and not reading Missy M's disrespecful comment towards me. Let's take a look at again " I'm pretty sure GOD will not judge people here for having a difference of opinion with someone who has abused the life that GOD as given him. " Nice so I can be judged by you when I say something that bothers you, but I am the bad person when I write a comment back that, talk about hypocrisy.

You also are on the defensive becuase I don't share your beleif be honest with yourself. I have nothing against you guys that are trying to figure out a "logical" explanation for this, but instead that why don't you ask me some questions if you are truly interested in finding out something that I havn't already explained. And in regards to your scientist comparison, that is not a good comparison, there is no scientific data out there that will ever prove any of this. That's were faith and beleif comes in and if you are lacking in that department then there is nothing I can say to change someones mind. I am honestly tired of getting into a debate about this, so I'm done commenting unless there is something new to talk about. Peace and maybe it's time some of you work on your faith

In your story, you present yourself as having been drunk and/or wasted through the majority of your ordeal, yet in a comment, you state " I may have been able to drink a lot, but that doesn't mean I was drunk all the time, as a matter of fact I was in a very sober mind set 99% of the time everything happened."
So, which is it? Were you in a chemically compromised state, or were you sober? Which are you lying about? You can't be drunk and high, yet in a sober mindset. You can't have it both ways.

MissyM - love your comment too, thank you. 😉

HR, if people interpreted this story wrong than you only have yourself to blame for presenting it as such.

"And Missy M. All your "logical" explanations are really inaccurate..."

What explanations did she offer other than the possibility that there MAY be a logical explanation? You are so on the defensive that you cannot even see how little sense your comments make.

"...considering you are reading a 2 page story at best out of a 1 year event that has taken place in my life..."

Which YOU wrote by the way, and who better to describe what you went through than you?

"...which let's think about this "logically", what is more likely to be accurate, your opinion which was put together in mintes..."

...based on what you told us,

"...or mine which has been 1,000's of hours of experiance?"

So you are saying, "which do you believe? My story or me?" Whoa. That totally makes sense. Aside from that, let me put this into perspective for you. Let's say Dr. Joe, a scientist, comes up with a theory and spends a whole year conducting experiments and gathering data. After that year has concluded he presents his theory to the scientific community, who instantly rejects it on the grounds that it is either impractical or simply incorrect. It does not matter how many hours he spent forming his opinion and having his experience with said theory. If he is wrong, he is wrong.

"I rest my case."

Way to be a condescending jerk. I think it is high time you have a heart to heart with a local pastor about what it means to be humble, to be patient, and to be loving. Instead of pouring your time into trying to prove to everyone how experienced and knowledgeable you are with demons, why not put another 8000+ hours (a year) into being a better person? I think that may be a far more rewarding goal in the end, and you have much better chances of accomplishing what you set out to do.

That's fine devious you have your beleifs, I have mine.

And Missy M. All your "logical" explanations are really inaccurate considering you are reading a 2 page story at best out of a 1 year event that has taken place in my life, which let's think about this "logically", what is more likely to be accurate, your opinion which was put together in mintes, or mine which has been 1,000's of hours of experiance? I rest my case.

"this is not about believing my story and what happened to me or God will judge you for it if you don't believe it."...blablabla..."And if you don't believe that is real, then how do you believe in God?"

? I'm not sure I have this right? Correct me if I'm wrong please...

So, if we believe that your account wasn't so much paranormal as much as it was inner demon's caused by substance abuse, depression, insomnia, stress, and poor eating habits we must not believe in God? 😆 Like you said before it's your opinion and it differs from rooks, and rooks may differ from yours which differs from mine...etc...and so on and so forth. I'm pretty sure GOD will not judge people here for having a difference of opinion with someone who has abused the life that GOD as given him.

On another note, I find it crazy how people post stories with one sided mind frames and get there backs up when people try to find a logical more reasonable explanation for what may have happened. You should always look at the logical and rule out any reasonable explanation before jumping on the paranormal boat. But of course that's just my opinion...lol

DeviousAngel I loved your first comment I think you summed everything up nicely and put a pretty bow on it. 😁

And on a side note, I can see that you are continuing on preaching to try and bait me and others into a religious debate but that is also not going to happen. I explained my beliefs, I do not need to justify them. I feel secure in them and why I feel the way I do. If you want to have a discussion or debate on that, feel free to email me personally (email is on my profile) and I will reply to you as I can, but I will not carry on that discussion in a public forum where others may become defensive or offended by what we say to each other.

HellRaiser, as I said I appreciate what you are trying to do here, but STOP. You are preaching and that is all. I get it, you are a Christian. I respect that. But you are trying to get me to subscribe to your beliefs and it is not going to happen. You can disagree with me all you like, that is your prerogative. But my beliefs are set. If it hurts my eternal soul or whatever for not believing in the same things you do, then so be it. That is my problem. Let's focus on the paranormal and not get all religious here, ok?

"I believe that spiritual bodies gain strength from our belief in them, and are equally weakened by our lacking belief in them. I will not go into why I believe that as that is a story for a different day, but sorry mate, I think you are barking up the wrong tree if you are trying to preach to me about demons/angels and heaven/hell."

That's were you and I differ Devious, God does not need our help or belief to gain strength or become stronger, He already has all power. His followers and believers he knows who they are and that only makes his following more powerful, but does not effect the strength he obtains and holds over all intelligence. God gives strength to those he chooses and takes away from those he wants as well. For someone that believes in spirits and energy it's hard for me to understand how you don't see that it is all connected. It is in everyone's best interest in this world to seek out God and find out for themselves, whether you believe or not it's the least you can do if you are at all interested in or concerned about the afterlife. After all, who came to this earth to die for you and offer you an everlasting eternity? No one, but Jesus Christ.

clever, Indigo and PiP... Very well said, all of you. Your guys' thoughts and words are what helps restore my faith in humanity little by little, and are the reason that I keep coming back to this community. It gives me hope that there are people out there who can be civil about their thoughts and beliefs.

I'v never read anything like that before! You are one strong man to have dealt with all that suffering and the things that happened.
Im glad you shared your experiance and I hope you continue to do good. GOOD LUCK!:)

DeviousAngel,

My pleasure. Thank YOU for standing up for what you believe in and what you think is right. It's a shame that it is so difficult for some people to be respectful, despite their views. I was going to stay quiet on this thread, but after reading all your comments; I felt you should know that you are not alone and that I was thinking exactly the same things you brought up. I also admire the respectful manner in which you voice your opinions.

It actually saddens me that some people think they are entitled to be so judgemental and lacking any form of respect. You are right- what someone believes does not give them the right to claim to be more superior or intelligent than those with opposing beliefs. And I really find it hard to believe that the O/P would be behaving this way if everyone believed this story was paranormal. The website clearly states that you will encounter views other than your own, so those that cannot accept that should reconsider their submissions.

❤ Warmest Wishes,

Pretty

Hi hellraiser, I think what everyone here is trying to say is this:

Bless you and may you walk in beauty, for you have found your path, which is the Jesus road. This is good for you. We commend that. Thank you for doing your Christian duty and touting the glories of God. This is also good. The bible does say that it is your duty to tell your brother about your way. Jesus himself did say, though, only point them in your direction once, and only once, for everyone does not follow the exact same path that you do. I have died. More than once. It was not yet my turn. I learned by crossing over that this side of life is very hard, simply because we do not allow it to just "happen" to us. We make it hard. This is unnecessary. Possibly you are making things harder on yourself than you need to.
Most of us here are trying to learn. This is not an entertainment for us, and I'm sure it isn't entertainment for you. From what I gather, we each have our own paths to walk, and we are walking separate paths together. This is good also. You will learn in life, and death, that there are no such things as coincidence. We are all supposed to meet who we meet, Experience what we experience, learn what we learn, etc, in the order that they happen. Only by listening and not judging can we do this to reach higher levels. Consider
This. Learn from everyone here. We have learned from you today. Again... Walk in beauty. We are all connected.

Since you claim to be a Christian, HellRaiser, perhaps you haven't read in the Bible where Jesus says that we will be known by our love for one another. I'm failing to see the love from you. No one on here was attacking you. They were pointing out differing opinions. As others have stated before on here, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. I hope you won't be making any more caustic remarks. I very rarely post any comments on here, but I was very offended by the way you were responding to the others.

PrettyInPain - thank you for your support. 😊 My beliefs may differ from others but I do not think that differing beliefs gives anyone the right to claim that they are better or more superior in intelligence than the next person... I could be totally off the mark in all of my beliefs, including whether or not this story is real--but that is the risk I take in forming my own opinions. Ah, free will...

"And if you don't believe that is real, then how do you believe in God? It's like saying heaven exists and hell doesn't. Or there is such thing is good energy and not negative..."

I do not believe in God in the same context that you do. I believe in the existence of spiritual energy and entities, but I do not believe any one to be more supreme than the next. I believe that spiritual bodies gain strength from our belief in them, and are equally weakened by our lacking belief in them. I will not go into why I believe that as that is a story for a different day, but sorry mate, I think you are barking up the wrong tree if you are trying to preach to me about demons/angels and heaven/hell.

DeviousAngel,

My thought process on all this is practically identical to yours.

Thank you for posting.

❤ Pretty

Devious this is not about believing my story and what happened to me or God will judge you for it if you don't believe it. God will judge us all for all of our actions and lives and beliefs, mine included. I'm not sure how that works and I'm just saying and this is my opinion, as difficult this is for some of you to believe, then it sounds like to me, that you don't want to believe in Satan or Demons... And if you don't believe that is real, then how do you believe in God? It's like saying heaven exists and hell doesn't. Or there is such thing is good energy and not negative...

Yes I have a lot to learn, we all do and we will learn until the day we die and then we will learn more. We can only take what happens to us now and do our best to make the best of it and share what it is that we feel that we can connect through.

Yes the Police were called because my parents didn't know what to do, they were extremely worried because of my behavior and actions. I was not acting like I was myself, after the exorcism the different world I was pursuing for many months before that was amplified 100 fold, my mind and soul were in the middle of the spiritual realm and was being effected by every energy possible from really negative to amazing, unfortunately most negative. It was scary to watch from the outside at certain points I'm sure... At times I watched myself from a third person perspective and it was very difficult if not near impossible to control what was happening to me, my mind was going a million miles a second.

Also I know some of you mentioned a lot of people can connect their spirituality through nature and your surroundings, well I also experienced that very intensely before this all happened and the "$hit hit the fan" so to speak. Once specific time I was at a reservation near my house and climbed to the top of the mountain near the waterfall at the top, sat down on a rock next to the lake and literally felt like I was sitting over the entire area, connected with nature and it's beauty to such a degree it felt like a very intense mediation and connection to everything around me. I even connected with two couples with there pet dogs that were having a conversation far away from me and there pets were barking and acting differently depending the tone of the voice the people were speaking and the general direction the conversation was going.

I like Indigo's question and I think it is a good one. I hope that you will answer it instead of glossing over a very good point.

I appreciate your prayers HellRaiser, but I think you should pray for yourself more than anyone right now. I think you should pray for patience and understanding toward others. I think you should pray that your emotional and mental scars from your experiences are healed, so that you can move on and let go of all this negativity. And I think you should leave the judging to God, because it is not your place to tell him how to do his job. Who are you to tell people who will and will not suffer because they do not believe your story? You sound a lot to me like a five year old boy who is throwing a tantrum and stamping around because he lied to mommy and mommy didn't buy it. I think you should pray for maturity too. Just sayin'.

I'm not understanding why the police were called. You seem to be ignoring questions that are asked and only trying to tell us that you'll pray for us. Thank you very much. I do appreciate all the prayers I can get. I will talk to spirit and smudge for you as well, but can you at least answer the police/priest question?

Like I said I am not here to convince you, you must make up your own damn minds. So many people don't believe the bible or God's word either, or would know a miracle or a supernatural event if it happened right in front of them, always trying to "logically" explain away these things when there is absolutely no logical answer to it, or like we "know" better, bull$hit. It is easy to do sitting behind your computer screen typing away like you do, but one day we will all face our fate... And God will be there to judge and explain away all these things that so many humans have a difficult time understanding or accepting... I will pray for you folks that you have the ability to open your mind a bit more. Take care

Here's a great link to support Devious' comment about sleep deprivation and the effects on the body and mind:

Http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1690

HellRaiser: When you post an experience on a paranormal site, you should expect opposing opinions...It's obvious that you are convinced that your experiences were of a paranormal nature... However, having never met you, and looking at your story from an outsider's perspective, I have to agree with the posters who say these experiences hold no evidence of the paranormal...

You admitted to being an alocoholic and a drug addict... Withdrawal from these substances can and will produce the effects you had:

Http://www.addictionsandrecovery.org/withdrawal.html

My "take" on this will probably not satisfy you, or others who refuse to take the extra steps to rule out the obvious before claiming paranormal, but, oh well...

Hellraiser - what bothers me about this whole thing is that you are affixed to the idea that all of this was paranormal and you have absolutely no intention of seeing anything different. Simply because you feel that it is does not make it so. I can believe that human existence is a myth and we are nothing but dream-creatures in some bizarre alternate reality, but that does not make it so. Could I be right? Yes, but can I prove it? Can I eliminate all (or even just most) possibilities until I have a logical explanation for my belief? No. Therefore, my belief really would make no sense. Sure, I have the right to believe it but to try and convince others is a bit more complex than that. That is essentially what you are trying to do here. You are trying to convince people that something so incredibly far-fetched happened without any explanation of how you eliminated outside causes and arrived at the paranormal's front door.

The woman who made the gun gesture at you, I see people do that all the time. Like Rook said, maybe she was just having a bad day and you misinterpreted her gesture to mean that she was talking about you. This is how people's experiences are tainted. If you tell yourself long enough that you are being haunted by demons and evil things, of course you will see the signs. You are looking for them. You create them within your own mind out of harmless things that have nothing to do with you.

As far as the possession and your experience with your girlfriend, you were suffering from sleep deprivation by your own description. Stress, lack of sleep and recovery from substance abuse can definitely do that to you. I am sure that you know that even when you stop taking controlled substances into your body they remain in your bloodstream and throughout your body for a long time, and it takes your body a while to completely detox. And that is assuming that you are getting back on track with a normal life--sleeping, eating, hydrating and getting proper exercise. We know that you were not doing at least one of those, quite possibly the most important, which was sleeping. Sleeping gives your body the time to recover that it needs, so if you are not sleeping properly then you are definitely going to see some crazy mental effects like hallucinations, blurred vision (creating these energies you speak of), feelings of paranoia, sleep paralysis... The list goes on and on.

I respect where you are coming from in wanting to share your experience with others to give them some hope if they are going through similar cirucmstances, but mate, you are going about it all the wrong way here. Do not get hostile at people because they do not understand or cannot believe your story. Instead, maybe try taking a different approach and better explain in logical and not abstract terms why you believed this to be paranormal. That is just a suggestion...

p-a-s-d-e-c-h-e-v-a-l,
If you go through all of Rooks comments from the very start you will see that he never once got disrespectful or rude with Hellraiser. He formed an opinion and gave it. That's something we all do every day here. If your problem is with what was said here in the last few hours then I have to say that I don't feel you are being fair. Hellraiser took issue with Rooks opinion, which is fine. But he soon became combative and then abusive, toward Rook especially, but it was brought upon himself once he started getting abusive. I won't take my words back, and I don't believe this story belongs on the ghost story site either. If anything, it should have been redirected to the Spiritual Experiences site.

Sorry to have disappointed you, but yes, we do a lot of our own policing om this site. Stick around long enough and you'll see for yourself. When the BS blankie come out, that's us policing the site.

Jav

p-a-s-d-e-c-h-e-v-a-l,

Angels and Demons are PARANORMAL... They are not explainable by 'science' or other Natural or Normal means they therefore fall into the PARANORMAL or 'True Ghost Story' category.

All I've been doing on this experience is Congratulating the O/P for Beating his 'INNER DEMONS' through his Faith in Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ.

I also pointed out that with the details provided there was NO EVIDENCE that this story was PARANORMAL in Nature... Everything the O/P has gone through and Beaten with his Faith can be explained by Science and Natural... Normal things... The very nature of a PARANORMAL STORY is that after considering all Natural/Scientific/Natural things and still finding no explanation for what has happened things 'outside' the 'norm' have to be considered...

I said it way, way back... I feel like the bad guy, but someone has to point out the fact that while this is a GREAT TRIUMPH for the O/P to OVERCOME everything he has there is nothing to indicate he OVERCAME anything PARANORMAL.

I'm sure they feel like they went through HELL to get where they are...I've fought addiction myself... It is HARD as HELL to beat, but that does not make it PARANORMAL and I will not share that here as this is not the Proper place for that type of experience.

Respectfully,

Rook

rookdygin: You even stated yourself-- demons and angels are of a paranormal nature. That's all there is to it, quite apparently. It bothers me to no end that such-and-so instantaneously assume that who-ever dares to submit a story believe that their encounter was factually paranormal. I'm fully aware this site is for the paranormal but you are not moderating the published results. Persons actions do not revolve around your idea of paranormal, no matter to how experienced you are in this field brought to attention.

And just to add to what Rook said. For those of you that aren't aware, we do have two sister sites.
One is for Psychic Experiences.
The other is for Spiritual Experiences.
Both can be accessed from the links at the top of this page.

Jav

We are a Welcoming Group. The reason we come here is to read peoples experiences of a PARANORMAL Nature...

Let me quote from the Home Page of the Site:

"Your Ghost Stories is a place where you can find all kinds of resources regarding real ghosts and true haunting cases, but more importantly, it is a site for publishing, sharing and reading real ghosts experiences from real people like you."

"YourGhostStories.com is your source for real ghost experiences, haunted places, the study of the paranormal and parapsychology. We are interested in true stories from readers like you, if you have experienced any kind of activities related to ghosts, spirits, hauntings and haunted houses..."

That is why we feel the stories should be of a PARANORMAL Nature. You are right... Demons and Angels do fall into the PARANORMAL category and as such have a place here on site...

The very basis of the site is so people may Share their PARANORMAL Experiences...

There are those experiences that get publishred that have 'Rational and Scientific' explanations and those avenues need to be fully explored and ruled out before the PARANORMAL can be considered.

This is a site for sharing PARANORMAL experiences... So that people can receive feed back and possible explanations or Help if needed/wanted. This is a site for people who have experienced the PARANORMAL can come to and not feel alone or like they are crazy because they find others who have experienced the same, or similar, things.

Respectfully,

Rook

I don't understand why the majority of y'all believe that every single story has to be "paranormal". I honestly don't give a flying fox whether it is or not, in this case, because 'demons' and 'angels' are not far off. And recklessly bantering about HellRaiser's personal (the keyword is: personal!) experience will do nothing, what-so-ever. It also negatively affects your 'helpful' reputation on the site. It's written broad as daylight that y'all are a very welcoming bunch, ain't it.

Not judging here, but you made the comments that your own parents called the police on you out of fear. Why would they have called law enforcement and not a priest? Just linear logic here, can you explain?

One more thing HellRaiser.
There's nothing you have to say that's going to scare this bunch. We don't scare easy. We've been places and seen things too, and what you brought here so far hasn't impressed me much. It might have earlier, but you had to get rude and obnoxious. That shows you haven't learned respect yet. You want that respect, but you won't ever get it with that attitude.
And now I'm done with you.

Jav

HellRaiser,
Listen real close buddy, you are preaching to the choir. You do know what that means right? So don't go flattering yourself that you came here to save some souls. I was saved long before you were born son! I've got kids older than you So don't go thanking you've got any special lifeline to the Lord that none of us already know about. As far a I'm concerned you showed up late for the game and now you're trying to muscle your way into everybody else's business. You need to watch where you step mister. YOU don't know it all yet, and you won't until you die. Back away from the old folks boy, some of us still have all our own teeth!

Jav

Rook you are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is, please do not try and tell me what it is what happened to me or convince others of your 'take' when you really don't know at all, let them make there own decisions and formulate there own opinions, many people on here agree with what I have to say, but you got under my skin when you try and discredit me and sarcastically undermine me. Don't do that and I won't come back at you because trust me I really don't want to

Jav didn't read past your first few sentences 'buster', I actually have read many legitimate wonderful responses on here, you can't please everyone and the few that disagree that have an alternate opinion, it is easy to take the easy way out that so many do choose. I'm definitely not here trying to pick a fight with anyone, really I don't need to convince you that what I know is true is true with 100% certainty that everything I posted here is 100% accurate, tough cookies deal with it, maybe it's time you start fighting for yourself because I can't do it for you, there is nothing more that Satan and his horde wants than for you to not believe this, trust me. There is no logical explanation for this Darkenss, it is of the supernatural and things that you cannot explain with a worldly answer, but just know is the truth and one day you will be living on some side of it for eternity. I know reading this may scare some of you so you can try and twist it or make your own version of what you think it is to make yourself feel better if that's what you need to do, whatever it takes to keep yourself in your box and comfort zone right? Unfortunately though, that isn't what will save your soul which is eternal. Don't shoot the messenger cause you don't like the news.

HellRaiser,

I haven't taken offense until NOW... Hit a nerve did I?

I've given you FULL CREDIT for overcoming your personal DEMONS by having FAITH IN HEAVENLY FATHER AND HIS SON... It's Great, It's Wonderful...It's NOT PARANORMAL.

Everything you've brought up, spoken of or mentioned has a SOLID, PHYSICAL / MENTAL or NATURAL EXPLANATION for everything you experienced. Sorry that bothers you but unless these things are investigated and eliminated as possibilities the PARANORMAL can not even be CONSIDERED.

I can see however my 'breath' is being lost here and I know when I'm speaking to a wall, so... Off I GO... The last thing I have to say to you as I brush the dust off my feet is this...

Congratulations on Being Clean and Sober and for having the Strength of Faith that allowed you to over come the 'DEMONS' of Grief, Depression, Drug and Alcohol Abuse.

Respectfully,

Rook

HellRaiser: Rook is only giving you a logical way to look at the things you have been through. And this is just my opinion but I think you still may have some inner issues and hostility to deal with. Your last comment was uncalled for, don't live up to your username, I'm certainly not! 😆

Hellraiser!
Alright, I've been nice and polite to you through all of this. I've held my tongue and just let this nonsense work it's way out of the system. But you have just hit a nerve with me buster! It doesn't matter what anyone says, or how they say it, you just want a fight! Well punk, you've got one now!
Yes, pretty much the entire population of readers feels the same as Rook does about this story. It just doesn't have anything paranormal in it that would merit it's even being posted up. It's the truth, you know it, deal with it, and quit your whining! I don't care what you try to add on at the end, it just doesn't fit the bill pal, get over it!
What was apparent to everyone but you, was your drug and alcohol abuse didn't stop the entire timeline of the story, until the end. Those were your words, nobody had to get an interpreter to figure out what you were saying. You laid it out in plain English
Now, if you can't handle the criticism over what you wrote here, don't read it.
People have gone out of there way to be hospitable and congratulate you on your battle with your own demons, but no more! That's it pal! No more Mr Nice Guy! Take your lumps like a man! Stop acting like a big baby! Nobody here owes you squat! You don't like it? Tough!

Jav

HellRaiser,

Interesting comment... Good food for thought... I hate to say this but I have to... (I so sound like the 'bad guy' on this one...😕)

Did she physically turn her head... Or not? You stated it like this...

"She turned her head and looked back at me,..."

Then you state...

"However the women as far as I saw was still looking foward,..."

Did she or did she not turn to look at you?

I can think of a couple of things that this may have been... Here's one of them...

I wonder if this individual thought she recognized you and was trying to signal that she was having a 'bad day'... And ended up looking foolish...

For the Record I'm the individual that said:

"I fail to see how this is a 'Ghost Story'." I said that in my very first comment on this Experience...

I understand an on-line search for 'demonic stories' led you to this site... And there are a good number of 'demonic encounters' posted here... Have you read any of them?

I so sound like I do not believe your experience, yet I truly do... But NOTHING I've read TO DATE seems to fall outside the realm of 'Normal' or 'Explainable'...

Every one who comes here comes here to share their Experience... Those of us 'REGULARS' try to offer things like... Advice, Sympathy, Aid and at times possible Alternative Explanations (Keeps everybody Grounded).

So thank you for sharing, I am not trying to take away from your personal Triumph over your 'DEMONS' through the Power of Heavenly Father and His Son... But I PERSONALLY still do not see the 'PARANORMAL' in your experience...

Respectfully,

Rook

I'll give you one example of a paranormal experiance that happened shortly after the exorsism, I did not share every specific detail, but I appreciate you wanting more information. If you want more than this I will share more, but I have to leave work after this and will check back later.

I was on my way to church late morning, I was going to meet up with my pastor for the 3rd or 4th time now all in the same week after the exorsism in regards to this because I was looking for some advice at this time. I came to a stoplight, it was a two lane road, with a women in the car next to me. I turned my head over to look at her. She turned her head and looked back at me, She then put her hand up to her head in a gun shape with her finger pointing at her head, and
"pulled the trigger". It looked as if it was a Demon inside this women and it was trying to communicate with me, saying... Just OFF yourself and get it over with. However the women as far as I saw was still looking foward, it was a demon or devil inside her the turned its ugly a$$ face at me and made that happen. Catch you Later.

Also for whoever said this is not a "Ghost Story" you are right, this isn't about Ghosts, but I did find this site through searching demon related stories and this site popped up with several different stories. So that is why I posted here. Cheers

HellRaiser,

I would not have said another thing on this experience, but you addressed me directly and that deserves a direct response.

Thank you for returning. Now while your Absolutely correct I DO NOT know everything you've been through and It's truly the individuals experience in life that makes them who they are.

All I can do, and have done, is comment on what YOU chose to share with us here. My OPINIONS are my own and were based on comments in the experience you chose to share with us, comments YOU made like...

"To say the least, my entire world and reality was ripped apart and everything I thought I knew and wanted in life was completely shattered and changed forever. This is when everything changed.

I was put to the test, my mind, my body, my spirit, and soul."

Fair enough, you've been tested... You go on to say, in the next paragraph...

"I began what felt like a never ending quest of seeking the truth to what's beyond this world and looking for answers from God until I got what I was looking for, it really wasn't a choice at this point, it was the direction my mind was going and I was going along with it for the ride one way or the other, it's not like I could just "let it go and move on". I was a wreckless alcoholic at that point,"

The rest of your experience, as you told it, followed this quote of yours...

"it was the direction my mind was going and I was going along with it for the ride one way or the other..."

I said it in my original comment, and I quote it here again...

"This makes for a very intense read, and I'm glad you've come through your trials whole, and healthy.

Now I hate to be a 'nudge' but after reading your entire experience, twice, I fail to see how this is a 'Ghost Story'. Most certainly it is a 'great personal journey' and a wonderful 'turned to Heavenly Father' testimony... But I do not see a Ghost Connection..."

My OPINION was based solely on what you chose to share with us (and I've read it a third time just to be sure). What you shared with us is a wonderful testimony of Personal Questions of Faith and Addictions overcome by finding Heavenly Father and His Teachings.

It's not until your recent comments that you mention any sort of time frame... And you still have not presented ANY experiences or 'evidence' that anything PARANORMAL has happened...

This was and still is a Wonderful Personal Testimony of Faith... Of overcoming Personal Issues and Challenges... And I (I...I...I...I) still fail to see where this is anything but that which it appears to be on the surface, a tale of Great Personal Triumph through Faith. But I (I...I...I) still do not 'see' the Battle against PARANORMAL FORCES...

Sorry, but you haven't changed MY mind concerning this experience... Thank you for sharing.

Respectfully,

Rook

I apologize for my quick and rather straight foward and upset tone before If you can accept that or not that is yours to decide. I believe some of you are just trying to figure out a reason for why this happened to me and it isn't becuase of Drugs or Alcohol that caused this even if that may be what you think. I do agree that these substances can create worse problems, but this all has nothing to do with the reality of all the events that happened leading up to this event and after. This wasn't the day for me to check back and read through all of this. It is a lot to take in and I wanted to give you all the best feedback I possibly could because I do appreciate all of your opinions and thoughts.

If you go back and read through my writing, you would know that I did not abuse any serious pill before any of this happened and even months after, it wasn't until several months after, that I did, nearly 4-5 months of straight up pain and feeling of crap that I began because I couldn't take feeling the way I did anymore. And I fully understand the seriousness of it and accepted that I would get addicted, it was my only way out at that time. I did take. 05 MG anxiety pills once and a while, which trust me that does not induce anything like this and I have been on and off that for several years well before the death of my brother and best friend, etc... Alcohol also does and did not cause this. I may have been able to drink a lot, but that doesn't mean I was drunk all the time, as a matter of fact I was in a very sober mind set 99% of the time everything happened. I am not looking for sympathy or anything from anyone here, but more so just wanted to share something that happened in my life with you all. Beleive it or not I do care about people and my heart goes out to everyone because I feel as if this world is extremely blinded to the truth of why we are here... And it is all about making a decision for Christ, for God, in the end. The Devil is more powerful than you can imagine. Either you are willing to accept that or you are not, but I can guarantee one thing, if you seek God with your heart and truly want him to reveal something to you, you will be shown things that will blow your mind... And it may take months or even years for that to happen, but it will... And it happens in God's time, not our own.

- Tom

HellRaiser,

Look, I get it. I feel sorry for your circumstances. When it comes down to it, everyone has had crappy stuff happen to them at some point. You seem to be one of the ones who has had it worse than most, and my empathy goes out to you for that. But you are illustrating a life ridden by lengthy periods of substance abuse and demanding that the world at large swallow this whole story as factual evidence that the Devil is trying to devour our souls, and that you are some sort of anti-demon warrior and savior of the weak-willed. You said that your girlfriend's life was filled with "black magic". Tarot cards are not black magic, so you are obviously ill-informed. When it comes down to it, you are using the concept of the Devil as a scapegoat. You are seeking to place the responsibility of your actions and the unfortunate circumstances that both life and you, yourself placed you in on an external source rather than manning up and taking responsibility for what you could change and dealing with what you had no control over. The Devil did not move your hand to pick up the bottle of pills or booze. You may argue that it was his influence, but it was ultimately your decision. I am not really quite sure what you are looking for here, but if it is empathy/sympathy/whatever, you have it. What more do you want from this community? For everyone to fall down at your feet singing your praises for showing us the light? I don't mean to sound rude but that is horribly idealistic and it just is not going to happen.

You are right about one thing. Unless I were to experience these things myself, there is absolutely no way I am going to believe that this was a real-life experience and not some escapism tale told through dreams and subtance-altered realities. No, I do not need you to validate it for me and you need not prove it. But that is my opinion, and it does not make me a lesser individual to feel that way.

HellRaiser,
Though the desperation is evident in your tone, you must also be aware that others find there way to spiritual happiness and knowledge in a multitude of ways. Not all are charged to suffer in order to be welcomed into his loving embrace.
Fire and Brimstone works for some, while others prefer the serenity of nature and all of it's wonders.
My only point being this, for many of us it is a quiet moment, for other it's a cry to heaven. Does it matter how we got there? Or just that we did?
Peace dude,
Jav ❤

You can cut through the thickness of hostility with a knife...
HellRaiser, Rook would never want to offend anyone on here. He is always here to help people, and HAS helped many people on this site...
I hope you find the peace you need.
Blessings,
Sarah

I read your story and felt for your suffering an pain, I think anyone who goes through loss in any kind of way looks for some kind of outlet, I do agree with other comments that this is probably the wrong forum for you,

There does not seem to be anything supernatural about your story, yours is more a tale about struggle with inner demons, wich is obviously fueled buy drugs an alcohol, I think a long if not permanent vacation from substance abuse will give you the clarity you need to resolve these issues,

The pain of your losses will never go away, but I don't think your brother or friend would won't to see you throwing your life away just because they are no longer with you, work with your doctors and phsyc, take it day buy day, there will be ups an downs along the way, and you will find what it is you need in life.

Peace be with you, 😊

I hope that you will get your inner demons defeated and never return to them, so that no true demon may prey upon your weaknesses and fears.
Good Luck

randi29,

As a former Wiccan and now Priesthood Holder and Teacher in the Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) I do say that Tarot Card do not open Gateways. They are a tool for 'forecasting' the future... Which most Churches 'frown' upon, BUT using the cards does not 'create' a direct link with a spirit (s) in order to 'forecast' the answers received via them.

The gift of foresight, predictions... Of being a Prophet are just that...Gift's... At one time some of God's best Prophets and High Priest's used 'tools' to help them discern Heavenly Fathers Will for the people. The High Priest of Ancient Israel used the Urim and Thummim, which is a phrase from the Hebrew Scriptures or Torah, associated with the Hoshen (High Priest's breastplate), divination in general, and cleromancy in particular. That means 'tools' were used to 'communicate' with Heavenly Father.

Definition time...

Cleromancy: the drawing of lots for the purpose of divination.

Divination: ascertaining information by supernatural means.

The Urim and Thummim were used like the cards are today... A question is asked, an answer given.

The Ouija on the other hand 'invites' and 'opens' ways to communicate directly with 'Spirits'. This is what makes it different from the cards... The cards are cast and read... The board is used to 'consult or question' Spirits directly. Herein lies the problem for Spirit's can lie and mislead those using the Board and 'gateways' are opened and 'used' by these Spirits.

I know your argument... These are both tools of witchcraft and 'Thou shalt NOT suffer a witch to live' Exodus 22:18. Let's look at that because the definition of witch needs to be settled on...

I'll leave it at this...

In the original Hebrew manuscript, the author used the word m'khashepah to describe the person who should be killed. The word means a woman who uses spoken spells to harm others - e.g. Causing their death or loss of property.

Tarot cards do not do this... The Ouija Board, well... EVIL Spirits will do what they can to 'cross over' and cause physical harm to others... So I can see that particular Scripture applying... But please do not come here and try to 'THUMP ME'... It's not polite... I do enjoy a good healthy debate but one must have open eyes and ears so that it does not become a shouting Match.

Respectfully,

Rook

Does'nt look like the author will come back to any of us on any questions... We should just let this be for now... BTW who was the editor on this story? I would say the author put in his story but how did this get posted... The fault is at our end guys.

Sorry if I am blunt but it is what it is...right?

Regards,
Logan

JustAreader1234,

You are correct, the category is...'Demons / Possessions / Exorcisms' No doubt about that...

The 'issue' I had with this particular experience is this... There is plenty of 'demon' fighting that happens and the O/P certainly overcomes 'them' by 'Faith'. The 'demons' in question however are not 'Paranormal' in nature. They are Drug and Alcohol Addiction, they are Depression and Anxiety... Which are all very physical or mental 'demons'. Not once is there mention of a 'shadow on the wall'; not once is there mention of an 'unseen being' sitting on the edge of the bed; not once is there a 'physical manifestation' (knocking on the walls... Moving objects, or more extreme... Physical touch, bite marks, scratches ECT...)

It's obvious that the O/P has had a long, hard fight with some sort of 'demons' and by Faith has overcome them... But it seems each 'demon' in question can be explained by something physical/medical/mental...nothing in this experience 'screams' PARANORMAL...

Respectfully,

Rook

But I do have a question for you.

Please Email me
Brandoncasiano1 [at] ymail 😕

You guys are right this isn't a ghost story but

Look at the category guys 😐

Hellraiser, thank you for such an intense story of your inner demons...yes, your own issues you are struggling with, and the real thing. Using alcohol and drugs can make you more vulnerable to demonic attack, most people here know this. But also your frame of mind - meaning your own depression. As much as God is helping you-believe me I KNOW the power He has, when I was going through my own bout of possession, fortunately not demonic but just spirits, I never prayed so hard in my life, and boy oh boy did He answered me! My best friend made a suggestion out of nowhere, and just like that, led onto the path in getting better-but I digress, sorry. But getting better can take other factors as well as the power of Christ. Such as getting therapy, and medication. These can also help contribute toward better understanding of ourselves and our metal health. For some people a dose of spiritualism, along with a good psychitrist can work wonders together hand-in-hand! But... That is your choice. You must chose which way to work this out. Sometimes asking or help is another way. 'God does not give us more than we can handle'-is totally true. And you must be a very strong person indeed. I hope someday you can mourn the past, the lost of your loved ones and your past relationship, and than leave it behind. Move on and relish and rejoice in your new found faith in Christ, and truly be happy in your life. Now THAT is something nice. Oh... You can share your story on any site, if this helps you, who cares. ❤

Erm, I've just 2 questions to ask... Firstly if you couldn't move but be still & pray how did you reach out for your bible? And secondly (not meaning any offence) were you high on something when you wrote this? I don't see anything paranormal in this story, just someone with an over active imagination 😕

Blessed Be xx ❤ ❤

HellRaiser with all respect I must say that your battles with these demons have nothing to do with the Tarot cards. But I believe that what you have experience is true!

Here is my little story for example why I believe you, though you didn't experience anything paranormal I do believe you were being targeted. And I'm happy that you turn to god to help you.

I was visiting a friend in the hospital for almost the same thing as you and he claimed that demons were tormenting him. I didn't believe him at the time until I stayed on night until his mother came to the hospital. It was around 10pm when I started reading a magazine that was left there and all of the sudden I felt so scared like something else was in there with us. I saw my friend that started to move like he was having a bad dream and I saw cleas as day a shadow go by so fast in the corner of the room. My heart stopped and I began to pray so hard until the feeling when away. I got the courage to get up stand by the door until his mom arrived 10mins later. When she got there I didn't say anything but when I hugged him goodbye he scared the crap out of me when he whispered in my ear and said "Thank you for praying". My heart dropped and I told him I will pray for you for now on.

My point of this short story is that sometimes just because you are abusing drugs and alcohol in the mix doesn't mean that demons won't hunt you. I became a believer that night.

I hope everything works out for you and keep your head up high!
The same reason as you: drugs, alcohol, pills, ect...

Drugs, alcohol, and PTSD... Oh my.

I think you should sit down with someone professional and discuss this. I am seriously concerned for your safety and stability.

How did this even get posted, by the way? I cannot see anything paranormal about it...

What a load of codswallop! Everyone's soul is at stake...Dude, this isn't a proselytization website, it's a ghost story site.

What is it with religious wackos? The Terms of Service and any other rule doesn't apply to them, they're 'special'.

Tell it to the Marines Hellraiser, they may just believe you.

HellRaiser,

By no means do I mean any disrespect, to you or your faith. However, I have to agree with the other posters, in that this is really not a "Ghost Story". You have been through Hell and Back and I hope that everything keeps going in a positive direction for you.

You stated multiple times in your post that you referred to your Bible for help and guidance. While I don't doubt that this helped you and gave you a center to battle your demons. I have a hard time believing that they were in fact physical demons. You have had a long struggle with loss, alcohol, drugs and pain, all of which lead to lack of confidence, pride and just overall well being.

I do not doubt this experience for you has been trying, frightening, and very unsettling. However, I can't say I believe, that the tarot cards had anything to do with your experience.

Again, please don't feel this is an attack, on you as a person. I will not say that what you have experienced was not completely real and that you did not overcome the demons plaguing your life.

Thank You for your incredible story

Blessing ❤
Sussieq

I agree with Rook, I myself use Tarrot Cards and I also believe in God, so it seems like that part is a bash against what you don't understand.

I was waiting for the ghost part or demonic part to come in and it seemed to me all it got around to saying is that you started to hallucinate from lack of sleep.

I am truly glad you found your way again and I hope you stay on the good path, I really do, but this does seem like it was posted on the wrong site. Most people here are trying to get help or help others with there unexplained experiences, maybe you should head elsewhere, since that doesn't seem to be what your about.

~Para

My first thought was WOW! This guy has gone though a lot. I hope you are getting better and I will keep you in my prayers but I have to agree with the other posters, this is not a ghost story. I, like Rook, had to read the story twice because it was so long.

Like mentioned before, these things happened because of the things we do. I commend you for holding on to your faith and holding on to your bible but if if you doing drugs and drinking at the same time is going to help or make it better. I hope you can stay off the drugs and drinking and on those really bad days, go into your faith a lot more. Wishing you all the luck in the world.

Also, about your girlfriend, things happen for a reason. If it's meant to be, you two will get back together but if not, hold on to the good memories and continue on with your life. There is always a plan for you and everyone else. Good Luck!

Not to belittle your experiences, and by no means am I belittling your faith, faith is a beautiful, wonderful thing, but...
With all the talk of pills and alcohol, are you completely sure that you are truly battling an outside demonic influence? Reading this, I think it more likely you are battling your own inner turmoil and addiction. It's great that you've been clean for going on a month, and I hope you stay clean, but I just think your experiences are the result of addiction, not demons.
Stay strong, it's tough to get off drugs and alcohol but you are doing a good job of kicking the habit.
Best wishes.

Um...Like Rook said, this isn't a ghost story. This is a story of serious mental instability causing pretty messed-up emotional reactions...Drugs, alcohol, depression and medication all mixed together created strong feelings inside you of fear, being attacked and feeling helpless etc. The problem is, these feelings came from your own troubled mind, not from any outside force. This whole fight between God and the Devil may really be happening in our world, but I don't believe that's what you were witnessing here. You just need to get on the right medication to stop feeling this way. Sorry and I hope you get the mental help you need.

Hellraiser,
I have to agree with Jav and Rook, the Tarot cards had little, if anything to do with your experiences... It was your lifestyle and your frame of mind.
Plenty of folks have posted stories about encounters with demons on this site, but they were accompanied by paranormal activity, of which your story seems to be lacking.
Regardless, thank you for submitting it. You did as good of a job as anybody describing what these experiences were like for you. Those words flying off the pages!...the Holy Ghost can fill you up, eh Brother?
Best of luck with your battle, keep your armor on, throw out your grapple and drag those bastards in front of the Lord, they'll splat like a bug on a windshield.

God Bless You,
Lou

HellRaiser,
Damn Brother! Hellfire and Damnation, and redemption of your everlasting soul!
Yeah, you are fighting some badd*ss demons there son. Most of them brought on by your continued use of drugs and alcohol. You can blame it on the Tarot cards if you want darlin', but that's just your excuse. You were going against what you knew was right by continuing to drink and use drugs while spoutin' the words you read in the good book.
It's all you, baby! It's all you!

Jav ❤

This makes for a very intense read, and I'm glad you've come through your trials whole, and healthy.

Now I hate to be a 'nudge' but after reading your entire experience, twice, I fail to see how this is a 'Ghost Story'. Most certainly it is a 'great personal journey' and a wonderful 'turned to Heavenly Father' testimony... But I do not see a Ghost Connection...

You mention depression... Brought on from your brother and your best friend passing with in 6 months of each other... You mention not being able to sleep, not being able to eat and at one point in time this lead you to stop taking your K-pans for anxiety. On top of all of this you were having intense 'oppression feelings'. You mention helping this woman... Taking the 'demon' out of her into yourself and then experiencing even more insomnia, ect...ect... You took more drugs, became suicidal yourself and were hospitalized more than once...

With all the sleepless nights, lack of food and drugs involved I can point to at lest 12 different things that this may have been and none of them are 'ghostly'.

Did you, with the 'Strength of God' overcome some serious issues, heck yes... Did you feel oppressed, attacked and besieged by 'demons'. Again heck yes... Did your personal Faith help you get through all of this... Again a Hearty YES...

But after all that is said and done I feel you've done a great disservice to those who do not Follow a Christian based Faith here on this site...

I am a Priesthood Holder and Teacher for my Church, we believe in Christ and his Father... But to say that a deck of Tarot Cards... Opened 'doors' for 'dark entities is a crock... They do not work like that.

I'm more than likely going to get 'flamed' for this but I find this whole experience 'Preachy and Condescending' to those who do not follow Heavenly Father... This is better suited to a Spiritual Story site, not one for Ghost Experiences.

Respectfully,

Rook