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narcissa (4 stories) (77 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-24)
hi mr Jitow and JimD... Why are you guys making personal attacks on posters? To state your own views are ok, but why do you feel the need to denigrate other's views here? 😕

Please, this is a democratic space... No one has any right to ask others from refraining from commenting... My sincere request to you all.

Thanks.
whitebuffalo (guest)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-24)
For all:
The comments made about the squirt gun of Holy water was in reference to the comment section in my own story. No offence was directed at ANYONE, it was in a light hearted jest pertaining to something else completely. Humor does NOT point to loosing a battle, what it DOES point to is not allowing the negative to weigh us down, and thus having control.
I, personally, will take full responsibility for that seemingly "childish comment". It was a carry over from MY page.
Wa-do.
whitebuffalo (guest)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-24)
DerEngelMetzger, Please accept my apologies for using your page for this.

You know, I have not even had a chance to read this story, but the comment section sure caught my attention. I had intended to handle this in a quieter manner, but for some, there was no other way to contact the parties.
We are all entitled to our own opinions, and no one is here to stifle that.
This IS NOT a religious site.
Forgive me for writing something that I have written many a time, but needs to be said again.
We ALL come from different beliefs, and have found proven methods within our own PERSONAL belief systems. To share what has worked FOR US INDIVIDUALLY is FINE, but PLEASE stop this tirade of who's belief system is the correct one.
HONESTLY, all that does for someone who is in need of assistance, is help them turn their back that much quicker, and run that much more swiftly.
I challenge you all to find a story on here that has such a disagreement in the comment section and find out if that author received the help they truly sought.
Arguing does not HELP, it stops seekers in their tracks.
PLEASE offer up all this energy you are putting into convincing one another of the wrongness of opposing beliefs into assisting THIS author. Forget about your differences and unite to help THIS author.
After all, this story is about HER issues, not yours.
Wa-do.
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3326 posts) mod
 
11 years ago (2010-04-24)
Okay guys: here's what I was saying: That there was really no point in me reading your posts, since I already knew what they were about... NOT THAT YOUR POSTS WERE POINTLESS! GOT IT?...Now that said, Jitow or JimD, if you took offense to that, sorry... So I really don't know how a comment like that could be misinterpreted as being "nasty"...I'm not a "nasty" person, most of the time... Jitow and I have gone back and forth in a lighthearted manner a couple of times...

JimD: here is the example you asked to be shown:
"granny is unwilling, or more likely, unable" to offer any help, because I cannot "give that which" I "don't possess"...You don't know me, my belief system, or anything about what gifts I may or may not possess... So to me, that was a personal attack...

So, you made come to my own defense... Happy now? 😆

Devious: thank you for your words, I appreciate it more than you know... Nice to know YOU got my back!...

P.S. I got a new spuirt gun today!... 😆 ❤
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1514 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-24)
I believe in the power of prayer, but I also appreciate and understand the power of the mind and do believe that 80 percent of these stories, including some of my own in regards to demons and dark entity's, are created and generated with in our own mind.

I could post a story here, which would scare the daylights out of most people and I know some of you would send your prayers and recommend a priest.

Knowing what experiences are real and knowing what's not is not easy, hearing a voice say to me your mine and feeling myself Being shaken from side to side would be enough to soil the pants on anyone, how I handle this was by laughing at it, You know something it went away straight away?

To the author this is what you have to work out, my only advise is if you believe its real than it probably will be.

Good luck
JimD (431 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
DV;

Let's not go tit for tat. It's pointless; many people's mind's are simply closed. No, you were not telling me my beliefs were wrong - YOU WERE MOCKING THEM. As far as defending another poster, how about defending me, as I do your right to publish whatever you want. First amendment ring a bell?

I did not bring fire and brimstone here. Some thing else did. Did you read this post? This is not a joke or a game. These people need help. Only Catholic Holy water, etc. Will work. Let them test it out. Try different remedies; the results are clear. Don't take my word for it.

In any case, I publish and will assist, for free as always, any and all who reach out to me. This thing won't leave, unless it's forced to. I won't show false charity by asserting some useless "cure". Moral relativism may be the fashion in many places, but many remedies offered under that umbrella will only embolden this thing. I address my posts to the poster only, for their edification and assistance. A growing number have emailed me, which bothers me as to why this is becomming an epidemic. But, I guess that's another topic. In any case, God bless you all - yes, DV and Granny, too. May I call you that?
Jitow (362 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
Red is Red and that is a fact, not exclusivity. The proof is here for you to see. I stated a fact not an opinion, you know it but will not admit it. I don't even have to think about other things, they are unimportant to me when I know what works. There is no chance to leave it to. It is the difference between stating something and knowing something. Do you think I committed my life to Christ on a guess. Yes I had to have faith but I have seen Him work in my life in the same way He can help her and millions more just like us with enough tangable fact to fill a courtroom. There is proof in every case that His name is mention. The only variable that can change the outcome is a lack of faith on the victom's part. That is all He wants, one spec of faith and He will bring 10, 000 angels to bare to help. If someone places no faith in Him or use there free will to trust in Him, then by there own fault they have used their free will not to choose Him. As I said in another post. There are only 2 choices when it comes to eternity, good and bad. If you do not actively choose good, you are inactively choosing bad. There is no greay area in respect to eternity-everything points to that. I will not cling to flimsy beliefs that have no futere, I have seen His power and His might, I have seen His miracles and I don't care if it is evil, human, alien it will flee if He wants it to flee and His promise is that if anyone calls on Him with the faith no bigger than a mustard seed, He will give them the ability to move mountains and He does.
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
"DA, I am not getting baited into a brawl as I said earlier. I have not stated that other things do not work on occassions or claimed exclusivity, but if she wants it gone for good, you and I both know what works."

Is that or is not claiming exclusivity? I'm not talking about a "temporary fix" here. We're trying to figure out what helps the author, and you and JimD can recommend your religious remedies however you want. I'm not telling you two that you're wrong. I'm just saying that there are other things that have helped, so your solution is not the only one. We offer multiple solutions here because, I reiterate, THERE IS NO ONE TRIED AND TRUE METHOD. If that were the case then everyone on here would be using it and there would be little to no new stories from old posters.

"In law school, they taught us: if you can't debate the facts, none of which were directed to Devious Angel by the way, simply poke fun and attack. It's a sure sign of the losung side of a debate."

Wow, they taught you about me in law school? Epic. And I don't see where we were debating, considering I wasn't telling you that your beliefs are wrong/don't work. I was simply defending a fellow poster. And my joke was to make light of all the fire and brimstone you guys bring here, and because I know Granny can appreciate a good laugh. 😊
Jitow (362 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
DA, I am not getting baited into a brawl as I said earlier. I have not stated that other things do not work on occassions or claimed exclusivity, but if she wants it gone for good, you and I both know what works. The statement about the proof on this site is not accurate, if you have read every story on this site you could not truthfully say what you said, people can read for themseles and know that it was not a factual statement. I was just poking fun at Granny, she is funny. Just let the poster test this thing and then she can burn sage and laugh at it all day but she needs to know what she is dealing with. It is funny that she has not even posted again and look at this page now. I did ask Shlain for some clarification on that post. Your horse joke was inacurate as well, I speak on behalf of my Heavenly Father, if I am elevated it is because He holds me up and if I do fall He catches me. You can have that same assurance too.
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
I have to agree with Jitow's first post below. Better to be safe than sorry. I have recently studied up on a handful of demonic oppression cases in Ireland, that have all happened in the last 20 years You wouldn't believe what some of these victims have gone through. Some not making it out alive.
This oppression, if it is that, not to be taken lightly.
Jitow (362 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
Hello Shlain, you mention that you were given a gift. Just curious to know who do you think gave you that gift and what do you think you are spposed to be doing with it. Tou stated fact when you said that entities lie and decieve. How do you get evidence that a spirit is just a person and not an evil spirit, by the way they feel. They can make themseles feel different as well. Do you not think that God almighty rules over the spirit world, He created it. The majority of evidence does not agree with what you are saying and you are not saying anything that hsas not been said here before. Go to the archives of this site and read all the stories where God was the only permanent solution for this stuff and you will also see nothing that compares to it. Lets stay on subject here which is helping her out instead of confusing her. Go find proof of what you have written to her and I will listen, but God's proof fills the archives of this site and everyone like it. It would not hurt, if you have not already, to pray and ask God what He wants you to do with your gift, He gave it to you.
JimD (431 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
Hi Devious Angel and "granny";
When did I post that "granny" had no rite to post anything. "Granny" for her own reasond DID post a sarcastic comment about myself and Jitow. Granny, you did post a nasty comment. I never attempt to silence other posters, and I never criticize them at all - YOU DID re. Both of us. I'd like one example where I attacked another. I'll defend my position and counsel, which is time tested, but, dude, I won't make ad hominun attacks.

DeviousAngel, I put up with legions of back woods, new age info. So, too bad, you must put up with what you, wrongfully, call tirades. You are on a tirade, for reasons unknown. God bless, and I hope this writer accepts sound counsel, for her own safety. Dukes2352atAOL.com.

PS Notice the Holy water squirt gun childish comment. In law school, they taught us: if you can't debate the facts, none of which were directed to Devious Angel by the way, simply poke fun and attack. It's a sure sign of the losung side of a debate.
Shlain (13 stories) (246 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
Hello DerEngel. I know exactly what you are going through as I myself have had this gift we share since I can remember. I know you mentioned that you don't think this entity is with you, because of what your ex did, BUT that does not mean that while he/they were performing this ritual, that this entity was not paying attention to your ex and what was going through his mind and decided to latch onto you in such a way especially since you have a gift and your ex may have been thinking of that. By the way, why was he thinking of you while doing a ritual? Mmm... Think about that. Just remember that spirits can be manipulative and lie to you. This entity gives me a bad feeling regardless of him pretending to be benign. The moment a spirit makes you feel any negative feelings - whether he tries to play it off as being loving and caring or is showing his true colors - you should know something is wrong. Its your gift warning you to be careful and I would listen to it. Also remember that SOME spirits were human once and just cause they are drawn to you doesn't make them evil things. Throwing God's name at it won't always make them go away. They may be stuck on earth, because they're affraid of what lies waiting for them on the other side. All spirits are not evil. Though I believe that the evil ones will be fearful when you call upon God. Some of the comments on here have a tug-of-war going on based on different spiritual views. Do what you feel is right! No good/evil spirit has a "right" to you no matter how long it is around you. One poster mentioned that you lay down ground rules. I absolutely agree. You say what's acceptable and what's NOT! I also agree this entity is manifesting in a way that will make you think him friend rather than foe. Be careful and remember that you are in charge! Shlain
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
Jitow, some of the advice we have given here (and not even on this story because no one has even given any advice yet other than granny suggesting that the author tell him to revoke whatever he did, so I'm not sure where you're getting all this from) has, for whatever reason, worked. Sorry to break it to you but your advice is not fact simply because it has worked in several cases. Smudging, shielding, magick, laughing at entities, revoking in the names of various deities and performing all sorts of luck and cleansing rituals have also worked for many people. There is no ONE tried-and-true method for every case. If so, then this site wouldn't exist.

Just remember, the higher you are on your high-horse, the harder you will fall 😊
Jitow (362 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
ZG and DA, I agree with both of you that we get on each others cases; Any snide remarks or disagreements don't bother me personally or my faith. You have the right to comment whether it is helpful or not. Just don't steer people in need away from what you know will solve their problem. I am not saying your beliefs are wrong, I am saying that the advice that I am giving to her is factual and documented many times even right here on this site and every other site like it and you know it. This is a spiritual problem thay only a spiritual solution can fix. This is not magic or chakras or meditating. This thing did not float down the street and randomly pick her house. She has a gift from God and she is not using it for His glory and purposes. This thing is there to make sure that she never comes to realize that God gifted her for His purposes, not her own. We know what it is and I think you do too. I don't see how any of what I told her could ever harm her and I know it will help her. I am just asking that you not confuse people and muddy the water when you know what works. Spare me about the one time that this worked and the few times that this other deal worked and let's stick to what we all know works. I am sorry that it offends your belief system but until someone can prove to me anything else that works, I am sticking to what we all know will. Ihis person has a right to know what will help her the first time and long term because in this case, time is critical. Let's all agree to do no harm.
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
Granny! Quick! Get the holy water squirt gun, we have a demon on our site! 😆 Or maybe just a troll...

Jitow and JimD--granny has the same right that you heavily religious individuals do to speak her opinion and offer her remedies. Whether you guys believe in them or not, this forum is open to ALL opinions, and we've had to put up with your religious tirades and opinions just as much as you've had to put up with our alternative methods. So why don't you two either mind your manners or be silent? Practice what you preach and be humble, patient, forgiving beings rather than giving your religion a bad name through your ignorance and snotty remarks.

ANYWAY. Author: I agree, that I don't think this has anything to do with your ex other than that I think it has taken a form similar to your ex so that it can keep you calm. I'm not sure what it could be, but it doesn't sound human. It sounds as though it is poorly mimicking human features, and it is curious about you. It honestly sounds to me like a Shadowperson trying to manifest and communicate in your dreams as a human being. Shadowpeople are sort of...incomplete, so it makes sense that the features would be in your dream.

I don't necessarily think it's something to be afraid of, but I would use caution if I were you. If you do not outrightly want to get rid of it, you could try setting "ground rules" of what it is not allowed to do--such as forbidding specific forms of touching or doing particular things that make you unfomrotable. Try your best not to fear it though, and if you do, try not to show it. In the event that it IS something bad, you don't want to give it fuel. THEN you can start worrying about how to get rid of it, and I'm sure you'll see all sorts of methods on here for that.
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3326 posts) mod
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
Jitow and JimD: Give whatever advice you like... I on the other hand don't have to like it... I wasn't "ATTACKING" you... And I will not keep my beliefs to myself, if I feel that they will help someone, just like you don't...Calm down dudes!...

And yes, you do attack other posters...I've read comments by both of you, and I refuse to have to defend myself... If you get so upset by "snide remarks", then I suggest you don't read any more of my comments... Case closed ❤
JimD (431 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
Jitow;

Amen, amen.
Unlike us, "granny" decided to attack other posters. I won't lower myself to that level. I will, however, offer real help, something "granny" is unwilling, or more likely unable, to do. Nemo date quod non habet. (Nobody gives that which they don't possess.)

Back to the original writer, this person needs a lotta Catholic Holy water, and soon. The old boy will step up its attacks, fully aware that only now sound advice is being offered. Sage, etc. Will not only not solve this problem, but will embolden this vile thing. Email me if yoiu feel the need. There is a point in that. Dukes2352atAOL.com.
Jitow (362 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
GZ, Since you know what these poster usually write and you read it anyway, why don't you take some time and read the poster's story. She said with her own words that she realy did not think that it had anything to do with her ex at all. You saw her explanation, you know that what she described did not come from a ritual her boyfriend did, it is probably one of the reasons they broke up and she has not put it together yet. Your snide remarks will not bait us away from helping her find the only remedy for her situation. Please keep your sage burning, new age, useless, crystal, mojo crap to yourself. You will only prolong the problem that she has. I think it is becoming all too clear to many here that your motives and those of the others like you are. Speculate, confuse, mislead sound "familiar". If you cannot offer anything that will actually help this person, just don't post, go to facebook if you just want to babble your thoughts.
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3326 posts) mod
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
Well, I just read the other comments and I was right, no point, really 😊
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3326 posts) mod
 
11 years ago (2010-04-23)
DerEngle: This might sound like I'm prying, but who initiated the break up between you and your ex?...Are you still on speaking terms, was he reluctant to let go?...I think maybe his "ritual" has had a lasting effect... If he's moved on and you're on friendly terms with him, ask HIM to do something to release you from whatever it was he did... He may have sent something to you, and he can send it back...

I haven't read the other comments, I know what the other posters usually write, so no point really 😆
ZiShu (281 posts)
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11 years ago (2010-04-22)
That is a demon. It took form of whatever you thought was comfortable in the past to trick you. The shadow form you saw is what demons look like on our plane because they cannot manifest enough energy. It asks you if you are scared of it because it is trying to keep drawing negative energy out of you.
The next time it comes, pray for St. Michael the ArchAngel to come to your aid. He will stop it's attack. Try to always pray to God/Christ before you sleep for protection.
God Bless
JimD (431 posts)
-1
11 years ago (2010-04-22)
I am an experienced demonologist, and I do have to say it's 100% demonic. Only the names of Jesus, Mary and St. Michael the Archangel will get it's attention. Please get and use copious amounts of Catholic Holy water. If Catholic, say the Rosary, and attend Mass, confession and communion - often. Whether Catholic or not, get and use Catholic Holy water (and blessed salt, too), especially at night. Angelic trash are most active between 9 pm and 6 am.

The poster before me is correct in what he wrote. I simply added to it. Act now, because time does matter, as the old boy does gain a foothold in your soul / life, the longer it's permitted to. Good luck and God bless you. Email me at Dukes2352atAOL.com, should it fight to remain, which it may well do.
Jitow (362 posts)
 
11 years ago (2010-04-22)
Let's put your theory that religious tactics to an easy test. When you see it again simply say Jesus, or Jesus rebuke you, or God rebuke you. Note the reaction. I would be willing to bet that its reaction will be to split and fast. This is more than likely a "familiar" a low level entity but it works for the bad guys. It has certain powers to opress but the only way it can possess is by you letting it remain there. The longer you allow it to stay the stronger its "legal" right to you becomes. Its job is to keep you away from a loving relationship with God until it is too late to excersize your free will to choose God. If you die in this condition, satan has won in your case. The reason that it is there is because you have not committed to one side or the other and because you are leaning away from God, it is slowly and methodically staking a claim on you for its master. There are onl 2 choices when it comes to your eternity, good or bad. If you don't actively choose good, you are inactively choosing bad. It may not be cool and many don't like it, but Jesus is the only Savior available. Google "uncle ponto and Jimsie" on the net. This is a true real world case of a familiar. It is from a factual book written by Father Malichi Martin called Hostage of the devil. This crap is serious, please just say the words that I mentioned at the top next time it is around and you will know what it is. Then we can tell you how to get rid of it. You will get lots of advice here but this is why Jesus died for you and me. Test it as soon as you feel it around and let us know the results. If you think that you kind of like it and want it to stay, you have allowed it to stay too long and you must get rid of it.

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