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Nysa (4 stories) (685 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-09-22)
Dustyisdead since physics is largely beyond my grasp, I can't speak very intelligently to that. I know we can feel energy & shockwaves are a form of energy, right? So it would appear that "energy" can be felt & can move things. Could this apply to the energy that presumably belongs to spirits? I don't have enough inderstanding of the concepts to say, which is why I like to stick to logics, but perhaps those who do can will add to this line of reasoning.
Nysa (4 stories) (685 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-09-22)
That definition brings another question to mind; "psychic" implies that it originates in the brain. A previously living human no longer has their brain with them, suggesting that they can't have a psychic power of any kind. However, we generally believe that ghosts (with the exception of residual hauntings, and for some, poltergeists) have the ability to remember & make decisions. If that is the case they must have something that works as a brain. If they have something that works like our physical brain, could they have something that works like our physical hands? It is a bit of a jump in logic, but not an unreasonable theory.

As far as entities that were never human, if they exist, it is difficult to guess what their make-up might be. But we seem to think that they interact with us in much the same way ghosts do, appearing out of nowhere, moving through objects, etc. So I don't see any valid argument for assuming that they operate under different "rules."
dustyisdead (2 stories) (90 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-22)
well, we are to assume (if adhering to basic physics) the energy of the spirit is always there. Because energy can never be lost or gained. It only changes form. So while they may not have our SPECIFIC physicality, wouldn't their energy itself be considered a form of physical being? Therefore the energy would manifest itself in various forms and make it possible to manipulate or "touch" or "push" other "physical" objects?

Lol, this is getting a little broad and I hope it's not delving into pseudo-intellectualism.
rookdygin (24 stories) (4323 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-09-22)
Nysa,

Interesting question...hummm...Lets start with basics... The definition...

Telekinetic: the supposed psychic power to move or change the shape of inanimate objects without the use of physical force.

As far as a 'Spirit/Ghost' (Human) is concerned I personally do not feel they would have a Telekinetic Ability. That being said a Non-Human Entity / Angel / Demon... Just might... I like it when a topic makes me think...

What an interesting thought, and a great topic to research... Time to hit the books, I'll get back with everyone on this...

Respectfully,

Rook
Nysa (4 stories) (685 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-22)
But if telekinetic abilities exist, that suggests that a physical body may not be necessary to manipulate objects. And theoretically, ghosts / entities could have advanced telekinetic abilities.

Another thought; does the fact that spirits don't have bodies like us necessarily mean they don't have any physical elements to their being?
rookdygin (24 stories) (4323 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-22)
dustyisdead,

OPPRESSION: 1) to subject a person or a people to a harsh or cruel form of domination.

2) to be a source of worry, stress, or trouble to somebody

This would be on a mental level as a Spirit/Entity/Demon is non-corporeal. But yes... That would be how they 'influence' an individual.

You then ask...

"Do you think an aggressive or malevolent entity, be it a ghost, poltergeist or demon (if you believe in them), is capable of say, pushing a person down some stairs and perhaps seriously injuring them or even killing them?"

As in a 'physical push'...no...they have no physical body so while we may 'feel' them touch us that touch has no 'substance' and therefor does not cause us 'harm' or cause us to 'move'. However that being said our personal reaction to feeling the touch of something unseen could cause us to 'fall' down those stairs and afterwords the individual will 'SWEAR' they were pushed by an unseen Spirit/Entity/Demon. The net result is the same... Physical injury... But while the Spirit/Entity/Demons intention may have been just that... Physical injury... They were not 'physically responsible' as they have no physical body.

Let me define what I mean by 'touch' in this instance...

Touch: A warm/cold, sometimes damp feeling an individual experiences when a Spirit makes physical contact with them. This is experienced as a sensation only and is not 'solid' enough in contact to 'push' / 'pull' or other wise 'move' an individual.

Item manipulation... Objects moving... That 'pined to the bed' feelings... I feel these are somehow connected to telekinetic abilities somehow being 'manipulated/activated' during an experience.

This is a 'working' theory and is untested... But it is what I 'feel' may be happening.

Respectfully,

Rook
dustyisdead (2 stories) (90 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-22)
" However that being said they can 'manipulate' the situation in such a way that perhaps we cause harm to ourselves (if that is their intent). "

I'm guessing by this you're referring to a spirit influencing your mood or behavior? Isn't that basically what "oppression" is?

Do you think an aggressive or malevolent entity, be it a ghost, poltergeist or demon (if you believe in them), is capable of say, pushing a person down some stairs and perhaps seriously injuring them or even killing them? Or are you of the belief that that they aren't "allowed" (whatever that means) to seriously harm us?

For the record I have no idea myself. You hear so many conflicting theories. I've personally only ever encountered mildly aggressive entities. Never had an experience with something that really, literally, scared me to death.
rookdygin (24 stories) (4323 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-21)
dustyisdead,

You bring up some interesting questions.

For what it may be worth here is my two cents... (Just a theory folks, just a theory)

Spirits (Ghosts) / Entities being non-corporeal in and of themselves cannot harm us physically... However that being said they can 'manipulate' the situation in such a way that perhaps we cause harm to ourselves (if that is their intent).

In the case of Poltergeist... If it's a spirit it expends all it's energy in one burst... The result being the 'feeling' of being slapped, pinched, touched or an object moving or in some cases 'thrown'. If an individual happens to be standing in the path of 'said' object then they get struck, which was not the intention of said 'spirit', or if it's Poltergeist Activity that is not based on a Spirit (Telekinetic Event) then it's just an expenditure of excess energy from a living individual.

Then there is Possession... If we believe in this in any form...Spirit/Entity/Demonic... Then any harm comes from a physical body (the possessed) causing harm to other physical bodies (anyone around them) or the body it has possessed.

That's my two cents... Please feel free to ask anymore questions you may have.

Respectfully,

Rook
DARKNESS (3 stories) (2022 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-09-21)
Yep Rook could be on the money with this one, I immediately thought Poltergeist activity but I also thought that something may have followed your friend into your house. It may have been attached to her because she was previously in a negative environment and whatever this spirit is it was feeding off this negativity.

Thanks for sharing.

Dan
champion (3 stories) (172 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-21)
luvztigers92- you need help and don't take this the wrong way but looking at your stories and posts its obvious that you have some deep issues that need to be addressed and if your parents aren't willing or can't afford to get you the help you need talk to a school counsler that can get you help. Life is tough on all of us especially teenagers and parents often don't know the signs or don't want to admit that their child has a problem. I beg you to seek help and never consider doing harm to yourself. Life is hard but it can and will get better but you have to be strong enough to ask for help.

Champion
dustyisdead (2 stories) (90 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-21)
yeah, even though this story is completely dramatic and untrue, I too am interested in what people think about spirts having the ability to harm or kill. If they do make physical contact with people, then surely they'd have the ability to kill. Unless you believe in some higher power that doesn't allow it.

I really hope this doesn't bring out the demon people that start preaching to us about the bible and make everybody uncomfortable and annoyed. Lol.
BeautInside (2 stories) (186 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-09-21)
I am curious now as to a ghost/spirit can also kill or not. I know a case of a couple who lost both their partners (I believe that brought them together) and were living together. The deceased wife had died on their swimming pool and his girlfriend also died in the same swimming pool when she was all alone in the house. First thought goes to the man for commiting a passionate crime, but it's put aside when it's proved that he was not around at the time of death and everybody in his company could confirm that he was working. The second thought, to natural causes, right? Like having a stroke and fall into the pool, or just falling and hitting her head when falling into the pool... The fact is, besides her partner, nobody else had the key to the house and the autopsy was inconclusive as to the cause of death... It leaves me wondering...

I am sorry for bringing it here luvztigers92 ❤
BlueTurtle (3 stories) (176 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-21)
If this story holds water, I'll do what I can to offer the best advice, based on what you've said.
What with all the issues that your friend has been going through, I'm sure she's under a lot of stress, which would bring some negative energy into the house. Now, this is not to say that what's happening is her fault, but spirits (especially bad ones/poltergeists) tend to flock to negative energy. Plus, it makes us feel weaker. Strength comes from positive energy, which is what you should try and attempt to bring into the house more. This could start by asserting your control over your house. Try not to let this spirit scare you so. If you find yourself in a situation where things are moving around or if a shadow appears to you, try your hardest to be brave and don't let it push you around (excuse the pun).
The shadow probably senses your vulnerability and is taking advantage of that. You mentioned that your mother has had experiences too. Don't be afraid to ask her for advice. If she's not sure, then collaborate together and come up with a plan of how to deal with this. Call in an expert opinion, for example or (if things get really out of control) consider going to a church to have the house blessed.
And I know that you're still young and you may be full of angst over this, but cutting yourself is not the answer. I used to self mutilate too, thinking that a little pain would take me from reality and distract me from what I was really feeling. But this only hurts you more.
I wish you the best of luck. Stay strong. ❤
Nysa (4 stories) (685 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-21)
Darkfantum I am curious why you say she could get hurt but ghosts don't kill people. If ghosts / spirits can harm people they could also kill them. If it could push a person through a door, it could push them off a balcony. Why would they not do it? If they are former people, humans kill each other all the time. And whether they were ever people, if they are thinking beings who choose to hurt people, why not kill people too? If anyone were ever killed by a spirit they wouldn't be here to tell us. What authority would stop them from killing but be unable to keep them from hurting people? I am curious about the reasoning here. Personally, I am not convinced spirits can touch people, let alone shove them, but if they could, no valid argument occurs to me for why they could not kill as well.

In this particular case I don't think it is an issue. A plea of "help me, it's going to kill me" at the end of these accounts are a red flag to me that someone is being dramatic for the fun of it. When coupled with threats like "this is just the beginning & you've stepped through the front door of hell," the red flag waves wildly. If anything happened here, I would say it was psychic energy & not any kind of spirit.
darkfantum (44 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-09-21)
yes you could get hurt but not killed ghosts and spirits don't kill the liveing anyway I think that you should get a local priest to bless the house iv heard that kind of thing works

Darkfantum
BeautInside (2 stories) (186 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-21)
I pretty much agree with everyone in here.
There's something very wrong but I don't think it's paranormal sweety... In a previous post you said you were cutting yourself, that really worries me because this is not normal and you should get help.

God bless ❤
dustyisdead (2 stories) (90 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-21)
Based on the foreboding warning that the DARK SHADOW relayed to your friend who ends up in closets, I'm assuming you'll be posting even more of these "experiences" in the future, huh? It appears that this will be an "attention grabbing", even "attention demanding", series of events... I have no problem saying something is definitely going on here. Are the events still causing you to cut yourself? That would certainly demand attention as well.

It's all quite dramatic, to put it lightly. Your prediction that you'll be dead soon is an interesting assumption. But then again, the DARK SHADOW did say you stepped into hell, so I guess circumstances could get quite dire.

I would consider talking to a school counselor about some deeper issues in your life. I say "school" because I'm willing to bet you're not a day over 14 or 15 years old. To me, it doesn't sound paranormal at all. Most likely the DARK SHADOW is a metaphor for something else going on, and this forum seems like a safe place for you to to seek out acceptance.

Good luck, though.
Indigo (263 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-21)
I agree with rook 100% and I personally think that your friend that just moved in with you...welllll, let's just say that I think she's a manipulator, and that you and your mom need to be cautious around her. I don't feel like she's telling you the entire truth about things. I really get the feeling that she likes this sort of game. Be careful and watch out for yourself and your mom.
rookdygin (24 stories) (4323 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-09-20)
I can guess why no one has commented here yet... But I feel the need to ask luvztigers a question or two...three? Not really sure how many but I'll start here...

You said (And I quote)

"When I went to go get us some drinks I was pushed out of the room and the door was locked from the inside. I heard Aubrey scream and when I opened the door"

So you were pushed out of the room by...something...then the door closed and locked from the inside... If that's the case how were you able to 'suddenly' open it and find her in the closet?

The 'Dark Shadow' told your Friend that it was only beginning and that you had stepped into "front door of hell." Did she ever give you more 'details' on what this 'shadow' looked like?

Two teenage Girls... One Flying Picture...Equals...Poltergeist Activity to me. You just happened to be standing in the 'flight path' of the picture, that is if it really Happened.

More Questions, you said your friend came from an abusive household... How did she come to stay with with you? You stated "her parents abused her so she has officially moved in with us." Was this Court Granted Custody? Did she simply move out? Runaway?

This goes right back to this being possible Poltergeist Activity... All the 'energy' being generated by your friends stress, coupled by your own... Two teenage girls... And 'strange things' happening. I 'feel' the 'Dark Shadow' your friend saw could have been a manifestation of her fears... If anything actually occurred at all.

Just my two cents on this brief, possible, 'experience'.

Respectfully,

Rook

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