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aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-27)
I think it's a good thing we can kick back a little and share some thoughts outside the paranormal realm here on YGS we all seem to be on the same page here... We did this about 6 years ago and some great friendships were born and still thrive... If any of you would like to take this conversation away from YGS and onto facebook, please send me an email at aussie.daz [at] hotmail.com and i'll give you my facebook link.

Cheers Daz
Manafon1 (5 stories) (481 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
Hi Mack-- You summed it up very nicely--accepting life after death as a reality does make physical existence less difficult. Yeah, I agree, most external desires fall away with the realization that this physical existence is just part of something else. Sadly, one of my external desires is music and (weird as this is to say) I am a CD junky. I still have too many vinyl albums (yeah I'm older than I should be) but I need at least something to put away once I'm done listening. So, I am now up to 2,000 cd's. It might be time for an intervention but my wife suffers the same addiction.

There's a rare thing, a partner who not only shares an interest in paranormal subjects with me but also digs ALL of the freaky music I have. Music is one of the real pleasures of life.

Oh yeah, I can pick you up a New Age "self-help" manual in April when I visit the New Age capital of the wold...Sedona, Arizona. I was adopted and was able to find my "bio-mom" (just three years ago) who lives near Sedona. I think wandering the streets of Sedona, with its laid back vibe, crystals and energy will hit the proverbial spot real nicely!
Macknorton (5 stories) (533 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
HI manafon - I agree; greed is at the heart of a lot of problems. Materialistic greed and self-interest.

Apologies Mack for hi-jacking your original story... Oh hang on, I'm allowed to!

I believe greed and selfishness is a major problem because so many people are spiritually "dead". They think: "Well I'm only here for 70 odd years, this is it, I'd better get as much bling as humanly possible, and in any way necessary. I'll even trample over my fellow humans and my planet in order to get what I want."

But to me, the material world, the money, the prestige, the titles, the power, the jewellery, the glitter is an illusion. Props to keep us occupied whilst we learn the real lessons. These props will turn to dust eventually, but I believe our spirits will not.

I think materialists are chasing shadows. Their perspective is all wrong. Sure it's nice to have a bit of cash and a nice home, but they need to be seen for what they are; temporary "stuff" that you can't take with you. "Stuff" that will return to the ground eventually from where it came.

I personally found life so much EASIER to deal with when I accepted life after death as a reality. Everything just fell into place. There was nothing to get really hung up about, external desires (well, most of 'em) just fell away.

I could rave on about "happiness is inside you" but I'd be starting to sound like a New Age self-help manual...

Anyhoo, I'll get down from my soap box now as I'm feeling giddy, and do a bit of dusting...

Mack
Manafon1 (5 stories) (481 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
Tweed and Daz--I have been enjoying your back and forth. I am completely with Tweed on the reincarnation bit. I will not be returning, in physical form, to old planet Earth. The thought of living a physical life again, over and over, ad nauseum is horrific.

Daz, you are spot on about the evil, selfish and insidious nature of corporations, cartels etc. As an example, in my late 20s I had horrible rheumatoid arthritis in my shoulders and hips. Super weird because of its early onset but according to a rheumatologist I visited, only treatable with massive (and permanent) use of drugs like prednisone and other steroids. Long story short I came across an article on, get ready for it, choline-stabilized orthosilicic acid, and for the past thirteen years my arthritis issue has, for all intents and purposes, ended.

The guy who invented the bio available version of this stuff was, literally run out of Ireland (his home country) by the freaked out pharmaceutical corporations. The stuff was originally difficult to obtain but the Western world had no problem if the stuff was marketed as a "beauty aid". You know, helps your hair, nails and skin and then, almost as an afterthought, cartilage, bones and joints. Whatever, it's all natural and has me back to my twenty something (feeling) self.

The evil in this world has little to do with the fascinating topic of ghosts but everything to do with greed. Sorry for digressing on your account Mack!
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
Tweed, I haven't heard of a chip that could power a home for a year, but I will check it out later... Thanks for the yarn and the heads up.

Daz.
Tweed (22 stories) (2034 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
Word to that Daz. Did you see that Brian Cox doc where he talked about condensed energy? He had this small chip which he explained could power an entire house for a year. No Earth plundering or oil wars necessary (not that they ever were necessary). The technology is here, the great thinkers are here. It's astonishing how big corporations corrupt progress and get away with it. Absolutely astonishing. That's partly why I banish mainstream media from my life, that and it just plain sucks. 😆
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
Tweed, I agree with you on your thoughts about where we are and the lack of care from our politicians and media who both are basically owned by corporation's, there is no free press... In the last 100 years, wars have killed 200 million people in the name of what ever, most of them women and children... The most sickening aspect to the pollution crisis, is the fact that we have had free energy now for about 60 years, but the 100 trillion dollar oil cartel have it all stitched up via patent and bully tactics. Every time some one invents free energy, they either buy them out or they disappear... Quite interesting how it works, energy or atoms are basically drawn out of the air, condensed in a unit the size of a microwave and then returned in abundance... No grid required.
Tweed (22 stories) (2034 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
Daz, no pictures here and definitely no selling of any to Rupert Murdoch. 😉

Boring forever as a ghost? Not in the slightest. That's like being bored with who you are. Got to love yourself before you can love all eternity as yourself.
I'm not reincarnating after this, the buck stops here. Anyway, there'll soon be nothing left of the planet for anyone to return to. A sobering thought. 😉
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
Tweed, I think the only way up for you are higher dimensions if you're a wake up to the game in 3D land... String theory suggest there are 11... Sometimes I think that 3D land was created by the players in 4D who just may be advanced civilizations... Ancestrey.com in 3d land or something?...lets face it, it might get boring living forever as a ghost? So perhaps we come here to forget ourselves and have some fun and games... That wouldn't surprise me either, I personally have an open mind to a number of possibilities, I feel it gives you a better chance of at least smelling the truth for a wee bit... No problem with lurking or stalking, just don't take any pictures from outside the window... 😆
Tweed (22 stories) (2034 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
Mack, I completely get where you're coming from.

I tend to think of our existence as individual awareness first, universal connectivity second. As in we awaken the divine within, before the bigger picture becomes clear.
All the spiritual movers and shakers both past and present have one thing in common: self imposed seclusion. Be it temporary by daily meditation, or more permanent by retreating to some remote area or even belief system ect

With regard to our spiritual evolution as a species I think we've reached a do or die point in history. Because the Earth's resources are declining at a record rate. There will soon be nothing left unless we irradiate greed (I'm talking mainstream politics/media, politics and media there's no difference in my opinion, it's all the worship of greed manifested as money)...getting side tracked here... The general point I'm driving at is a choice we all have. Do we choose to believe the external fear based BS, or the internal placid awareness.
I haven't watched the news in 4 years, I mute commercials, the mainstream is of little value in my opinion. I'm aware of worldly events, the tragic ones are easily avoided if we all look within instead of placing outward blame. The ugliness destroying our planet is run and maintained by ignorance and apathy of a majority opinion. One I cut ties with.

It seems logical there are other worlds out there, other entities. We are a drop in the ocean and I quite like that. 😊
Macknorton (5 stories) (533 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
Hi Tweed. Lurk away to your hearts content! Just don't stalk! Lol. I'm speaking generally about the human condition generally when I speak of spiritual evolution.

I think it fair to say looking at our history which is stained with bloodshed and misery (and still is to an extent) that we are still fairly animalistic in many ways but we are on the improve (generally) with basic human rights and the way we treat our environment.

So in that view, as we are not separate from each other, I think we could look at ourselves as a species and know where we are in terms of our evolution and that we could do a lot better.

Many prophets, visionaries, revolutionaries and great spiritual leaders (the advance guard?) have shown the way as examples of where we all can (and possibly will) be.

To me spiritual evolution is a relative concept, but I would bet my left one (I lost my right one in a previous bet) that there are far more advanced civilisations through out the universe, advanced both spiritually and technologically.

It seems logical to me that that is the path of evolution?

Regards
Mack
Tweed (22 stories) (2034 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
psst, one can't be completely under evolved spiritually if one is aware of it.

Just a thought. 😉

(Sorry to butt in, enjoy following these kinds of discussions, lurker that I am!)
Macknorton (5 stories) (533 posts)
 
2 years ago (2016-02-26)
Ah yes, Albert. Quite clever wasn't he? Lovely summation, so succinct.
Cheers
Mack
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
Mac, I do concur we belong to some sort of greater consciousness system experiencing itself with most likely the ultimate goal of entropy toward,love,light and peace and as you pointed out, call it what you want... Perhaps that's the whole deal with reincarnation? Looking around the joint, we still have a long way to go before we are all singing bob marley songs and dancing with joy. Yes I like your own analogy of time, it makes sense to me, but perhaps a quote from Einstein might be appropriate in summing up what we really understand about our relationship with the universe.

"A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feeling as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."
― Albert Einstein

Regards Daz
Macknorton (5 stories) (533 posts)
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2 years ago (2016-02-26)
Hi Daz - thanks for your feedback and interesting comment. You are clearly a deep thinker and it's great to push our minds as far as possible looking for answers and understandings.

I always try and get to the "heart" of the matter - the source, where it all bubbles up from, the point, the motive.

Time is an interesting subject. I like your domino analogy. Another analogy I find reasonable is that consider time (or our experience) as a mountain range. Usually we are stomping along it's length, we might glimpse the next peak, usually eyes down, and one could argue we are almost walking backwards. In that we can see where we have been, but can't see where are going.

Another analogy that came to me, is someone running on a barrel, and the barrel is rolling down a hill, but the person is facing where they have been. They have the illusion that they are moving / running forward but really they can only see where they have been. The path of the barrel is determined by it's previous course, stretching back (and forward) to infinity.

I believe our present actions are determined by our past actions, and those actions determine our future actions. We have free will but it's limited by our spiritual development. Sometimes, for no apparent reason, we get in a "helicopter", if you will, and up we go and we can see the entire mountain range, or should be able to do so, in theory.

To get really deep and broad about time, one can argue that we are part of a greater spiritual consciousness (call it God, Allah, Elvis, or whatever floats your particular boat) which can be argued is perfection. So we are portions of that perfection expressing ourselves.

Now, to me, where it breaks down is that we gained consciousness, that divine spark and we became self-conscious and at that point we had choices. Not a vast range but some choices. And of course, because we are so unevolved spiritually, we make some unwise / bad choices because we don't know any better (usually).

So, because we are spirit, and spirit is "God" and "God" is perfection, it has to constantly outwork itself to be expressed as perfection, that's why we suffer and struggle. It's like an almost automatic process. The natural (and scientific - same thing if you ask me) laws, which people describe as "God" are automatic in their operation, because they are perfect.

So...hwhat I'm getting at is our past actions affect our present and future actions. Therefore it's almost pre-determined, so that's why we can glimpse the future, because our past actions set of the path that we have to follow in order to be expressing more and more of the perfection of spirit.

I hope that makes some kind of sense Daz. It's certainly fascinating.

On another note, I have often tried to comprehend eternity and I literally can't compute that. I can feel my mind folding in on itself.

But that's another headache for another time... 😊

Regards

Mack
aussiedaz (18 stories) (1276 posts)
 
2 years ago (2016-02-25)
Mack, I enjoyed your story and can relate my own experiences to your account, I don't really have these dreams any more, but years ago, I had about one every week, mostly trivial, work related, etc... Although some quite serious in nature, but anyway onto your account...here's my theory on what goes on when we sleep, the sensation of time, which is really motion, exist only in our classical domain, thus the macroscopic world we live in that we base laws on around Newtonian principles.

On the microscopic level, where fundamentally Quantum entanglement thrives in relation to our consciousness, there are no principle of laws relating to time and I don't think I'm sharing with you anything new, reading on some of your other post here on YGS...anyhow, when we go to sleep, I'm convinced our minds sink down into the plank scale of consciousness where time does not exist, past, present and future all coherent... What actions we physically created yesterday are still there and what we are going to do tomorrow awaits our footsteps on an probabilistic future, which is occasionally haunted by murphys law and balanced out on most part by our guides or good luck,... I'll make this analogy, our reality is mapped out like a row of dominos, there is a start and a finish to each of our own rows. If you can imagine each domino collapsing onto the next piece, that is what we call the present time, or the "now"...however,consider the table under the domino and let's call that the table of consciousness, or the Higgs field in scientific analogy, it is connected to all the pieces of your journey and when conditions of mind are right, you can travel along the row where ever your mind wants to in sleep phase or mediation depending on your thoughts and capability...

Usually, when we have work on our minds,it's not unusual to dream about the joint, although why we punish ourselves enough doing that I don't know, 8 hours a day is enough right?, but if our focus of mind is in such a state through dreams, we apparently can surf the future of our lives and check out the waves.

Regards Daz
dreamer01 (1 stories) (117 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-12-30)
miracles51031,

Thank you for your lovely comment.

The whole incident just did not seem to have any practical value at the time.

Cheers, dreamer01 😊
chapulin1234 (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-12-29)
Seems for all the posts here that many people have dreams about future events, some are light "deja-vu" type of dreams or impressions and others are extremely vivid. I have had few deja-vu myself and couple of dreams that turned out to be to the "t", one I actually slept-walk, (that is why I remembered so clearly, because I woke up in another room and I was like?!?!, so I took notice of my dream), the other one I truly believe I was there because I was watching "the action" if you will, like floating above people's heads... Not much has happened in the past ten years tho... Maybe it is true, you use it or lose it 😳
rookdygin (24 stories) (4325 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-12-29)
Mack,

Enjoyed this...it's really cool that ALL the images from this particular dream actually 'played out' in real life.

You mention that you were meditating on a regular basis at the time you experienced this and that fact allowed you to be 'in tune' enough you caught a glimpse of the future... Keep in mind however you saw symbols and not actual events... You did not 'see' yourself wearing a new apron you saw a 'pink dress' over your jeans. You 'saw' your co-working running to catch the tram... Not arriving late at the diner. Had you not received the new apron and you co-worker not been late for work then the images could have meant something else entirely... Dreams can be so hard to interpret.

Thank you for sharing.

Respectfully,

Rook
Fergie (36 stories) (1094 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-12-29)
Hi Mack, thank you for your fascinating post. I don't have any deep or philosophical comment to make, only some of my experiences to add.

My first premonitions were only "feelings". My very first being that I would burn my school tie while ironing it - pretty stupid, I know. But, it taught me to take notice of my "feelings". My "Big" one was when we were to take an Easter trip to visit my dad, four hours drive away. (I posted this on a sister site). We possibly avoided being involved in an horrific road accident.

Months after our eldest grandson was born with a spastic epiglottis, and had stopped breathing numerous times, I had a dream. (This account is on YGS). In my dream I saw my deceased dad watching over his great-grandson. After that, my grandson had no more breathing problems.

My next premonition dream, I didn't figure out until after my youngest daughter had passed away. (You can read about that on my post "Knocking On Heaven's Door") Sorry, it's too long to explain here.

Since then, I have never had any more premonition dreams.
Macknorton (5 stories) (533 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-12-29)
Hi tweed - I suppose an admission that may or may not shed some light on my dream. I had a crush on the co-worker at the time.
Maybe not so mundane? I had never really thought about that before but maybe, just maybe... 😳
Macknorton (5 stories) (533 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-12-29)
Agua - that's a great analogy. I fully understand where you are coming from there.
I think time sort of spirals. I guess the million dollar question is why can we occasionally glimpse that "next track ",
Also; are our whole lives predetermined down to a minute detail or do we have some free will and choice?
I believe they are largely predetermined due to our spiritual attainment at that point but we need the freedom to evolve and maybe we do that by making the "right" or "wrong" decisions on a daily basis?
Thanks for your comments.
Mack
Tweed (22 stories) (2034 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-12-29)
Like sands through the hourglass, so too are they, the days of our lives...

Hi Mack,

I've no idea why mundane premonitions occur, but I surmise it's linked with equality; time is arbitrary and every moment equal.
Except we humans get bogged down with emotions and segregate moments based on emotional response. Nothing wrong with that, but perhaps a universal approach is one which remains inclusive of every moment, regardless of content, hence mundane premonitions.

"The power of fate is confessed only by the miserable, for the happy attribute their success to prudence and merit."

Can't remember who said that but it more or less sums up my view on predetermined fate. I believe nothing is set in stone and that premonitions are a glimpse at an outcome on a current course of action. Like a preview of a choose your own adventure. (I'm so technical)

Someone on here has a story about their mundane premonitions which, after many years, included a warning about a dangerous accident. Because the person saw this in a premonition they traveled along another road and avoided a nasty collision which occurred that day. (Does anyone remember whose story that is?)

I had a stupid premonition about a story title on this site once, months back. How embarrassing is that. It was something about a dowel pin, go figure.
I'd say your apron/co-worker premonition falls under the category of 'move it or lose it'. Like all abilities practice is the key, I think our subconscious knows what's best, thus we get a silly premonition from time to time.
Macknorton (5 stories) (533 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-12-29)
Thanks Red. You know, I was meditating regularly back then and for sure, I had a lot more psychic and spiritual experiences.
Agua (4 stories) (61 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-12-29)
Mack, the Bible is full of scriptures which explain that our experience is already set forth. I'd go further and perhaps say that it has already happened. Sort of like music on an old vinyl album. Our consciousness is perceived like the point that the needle is at on the album while the whole of the music is already there behind and in front of our perception at the same time. I think that is the only way premonition can make any sense whatsoever; occasionally people can see over the edge of the groove.
RedWolf (28 stories) (1246 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-12-29)
Mack
Another great story, I liked it a lot. Don't worry that your other psychic dreams (aka pre-cognitive dreams) were not as clear and not 100% accurate. I was once told by psychics that psychics are only about 98% correct or accurate.
If you meditate you should be able to make predictions in your waking state if you want, but you can't force predictions.
Best wishes to you
Red
sbst_gh (2 stories) (6 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-12-28)
I also have the same thing, to see the future. Like, I would dream about a place and see it a few weeks later. I would also dream of events and it happened exactly like how it was in the dream. I wonder what's causing this, but I hope that I can do it as often as I like.
Miracles51031 (36 stories) (4802 posts) mod
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2 years ago (2015-12-28)
dreamer01 - that is a wonderful explanation for the "huh?" premonitions.
dreamer01 (1 stories) (117 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-12-28)
hi mack,

This is an area of great interest to me. I have some really vivid, interesting and very scary ones.

Personally I believe that premonitions happen for a variety of reasons. Be they warnings of good/bad tidings or just a simple reminder to let you know that your are plugged into a vast universal energy that you can use in some positive way.

My most stark and clear cut one of late was maybe just over 1 year ago. In the dream I am sitting on a bus waiting to leave the stop when I look out the window to my left and there is this woman standing there looking straight at me and smiling.

That day in the late afternoon it happened exactly as how I dreamt it right down to the clothes she was wearing. I felt quite stunned at the time and did ponder why I had this experience and as to what it may mean. Nothing came to mind so I just dropped it.

But now, I think it was a " hello from the universe " call just to remind me to use my thoughts and actions in a positive way.

😊 😊
Macknorton (5 stories) (533 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-12-28)
BGP - thanks for your comments and relating your experience.
As miracles pointed out; why do we experience such mundane premonitions sometimes?
Surely it would make more sense to be warned about a plane / car crash etc rather than a work event.
However, this experience taught me that we have destinies and that whilst we think we have free will, we do but its limited due to our spiritual development.
It would appear that we have to undergo certain experiences to " round us off" as spiritual beings.
An analogy of this for me that keeps coming back is if you watch water running down some steps for example, the water takes its path naturally according to the terrain it has to cover and gravity plus the volume of force behind it.
This is like our lives, they take a natural path but are influenced on the way.
I may be rambling now but it may make sense to someone?
Cheers
babygoatpuller (4 stories) (359 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-12-28)
That's been a big question for me to Mack. Free will or predetermination? There was a great documentary on the science channel about it.

It was baby goat pulling season and I had laid down one afternoon to catch a short nap before I got back to the goat stuff. I had just closed my eyes and got this flash of a baby goat in the water and going down fast. We have a large pond right off our deck. My eyes flew open and I thought "what the hell was that!". Sleep wouldn't come so I got up, went into the kitchen to wash up and head back out to the barn. As I was standing at the sink, I looked up and saw some of my goats across the pond. I was watching one doe with her kid and watched as the kid started to slide down the steep bank and plop right into the water. Just exactly as I had seen it in my mind only a few minutes before. I tore out of the house and ran the good 100 yards around the pond, jumped in and grabbed her just as her head was going under. I named her Fish. 😊

Was it a warning or was it predetermined? As much as I like to think we all have free will, I've got to wonder about the predetermination aspect. Being agnostic, the added question is by who or what?

I love that you've brought this here and look forward to some great discussions about it. Thanks for sharing!
Miracles51031 (36 stories) (4802 posts) mod
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2 years ago (2015-12-28)
Mack - this is an area I am very familiar with. I keep these experiences in my Journal, as well as the ghostly happenings.

A lot of times, like yours, they seem to be like, why on earth would I dream that? I have a whole collection of those LOL And other times it is one thing out of the whole dream that is important. Most of the time I feel as if I am there, even though when the dream really comes true, I'm not and it has nothing to do with me at all.

If you don't keep a journal (and I apologize for not knowing this if you've mentioned it), please keep record of these occurrences. Some of my dreams have taken a couple years to come to fruition, others have already happened, and still others have happened within hours.

Thanks for sharing this. I enjoy reading about other's premonitions 😊

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