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lexi-loo (1 stories) (175 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
do you get more activity with visual cameras or with the heat detector thing or is it more or the same
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Valkricry

If you have any questions do ask so I can answer them.
valkricry (39 stories) (2731 posts) mod
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Goggzy,
I had read the comments prior to my asking. Unfortunately I had missed the one by Rook. Although I do have other questions, I shan't bother you with them. I shall simply live with my doubts about your validity.
Goggzy (guest)
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Lexi-loo

The best part of top range gear is the lack of problems with the systems as I know someone who was using a old DVR system for there security and he had to replace it 10 times in the 3rd year of having it I gave him one of ours and he has not changed it in 6 years. Just shows the difference between low range or top range gear we have still to have on of my camaras lose focus while one of the old camaras did it every investigation a lot. I currently have 18 camaras (DVR) which cost 200 pounds each I use these when I am building garages etc. To make sure none of our supplies get stolen.
lexi-loo (1 stories) (175 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
i do understand there will be some sceptics and I agree yes top of the range would get you more evidence not that I know much about technoligy but if I was on an investigation the little things would be enough for me like what you hear on a spirit box I think is great but if any of the equipment is like what they use in (excuse the example) the movie insidious then I would be amazed with the results youd find so I do see why you use the best of gear 😊
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Valkricry

If you read the comments you would see that we followed these feelings for 2 hours going the exact same route this makes us believe this was residual we also kept asking how they died in different rooms where we were getting these feelings.
valkricry (39 stories) (2731 posts) mod
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
I have a question about the #4 investigation. "4 Crail, Scotland, Balcomie Castle. There was nothing here apart from feelings of dread every time we asked how they died, making us believe that it was residual and didn't know they were actually dead." Ummm, if a residual is more a less a recording/play back of a repeating event/action, and no spirit is actually involved - then how would you expect it to 'know' anything? Wouldn't that be like expecting a DVD to 'know' more than what was imprinted on it?
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Lexi-loo

We use as much as we do (top-range stuff) as this allows more evidence to be caught and less likeliness of a sceptic saying it was fake.
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Burton Albion,

This was just to prove that even though we do charge we do lose money I have even had to repair walls on some cases one which was plasterboard and they were getting someone in to do it for 500 pounds when I bought 20 metres squared of plasterboard for 20 pounds I still have 18 metres squared of it. Another someones extension was collapsing so I knocked it down redid the foundation and built them a new one it turned out they used wood for the structure and no cement for the foundation the idiot laid a flat roof with structure wood on the outside this made the roof unstable I eventually proved that a brick on its own would bring the roof down this I have on record as a yearly repair/servicing which we do for free within my company.
lexi-loo (1 stories) (175 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
wouldnt it just be cheaper just to use a spirit box and a video camera... I know I know not the best of equipment but cheap none the less and still results or would that not account for enough proof?
lexi-loo (1 stories) (175 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
what english team? My brother used to play for milwall juniors
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
I have, what I consider, a pretty good ghost hunting kit. I have several recorders, video cameras (cheapies I might add), digital cameras, a Gauss meter, a P-SB7, and a shack-hack. I save every penny, nickle and dime I can to purchase my equipment. My next purchase is going to be a UV illuminator for my DVR. It's taken years for me to assemble this humble little kit.

Also, since I have my own computer I've downloaded (FREE) several programs to help me evaluate evidence. It isn't impossible to get good evidence with such a small arsenal.

And honestly, I really don't care about your house payment, your traveling expenses, or any of that. Your clients shouldn't be footing the bill for your extravagances.

*sigh 😐
Goggzy (guest)
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
We own every part of our equipment we pay insurance Incase of fires etc. In houses as the insurers pay out to house owners etc. For any accidents and to us if a hard drive/systems burn out they only don't pay out if the damage is deliberate (I don't know how many times a hard drive has burned out on us even though we only use them once) we all have successful careers as military etc. Myself run two businesses my own (landscaping) and I have 10% of a football club in England so we all earn enough as pointed below if we are willing to lose 150, 000 on 2 investigations
Goggzy (guest)
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
We also spent 150, 000 on our trips to Australia and USA which is more than most people earn in 3 years. My house (3 bed bungalow) cost 60, 000 to put how much we lose our office for the company is in my shed/garage (was a garage but there no longer is a road to the back of my house) that I built 3 years ago before that we were renting a place which cost 16, 000 pounds a year.
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Then you're trying to be too big, too fast. I know ghost hunting is expensive. If you don't or can't afford to own your own equipment, then you shouldn't be doing it. Unfortunately, not everyone has a huge production company to finance their gadgets like the Ghost Adventures Crew or any other highly publicized group. If it's the choice of you and/or your group to rent this equipment then, oh well. That's YOUR choice, not the clients. You either come in with what you have or go home.

Look, I'm not here to bust your chops. But use your head and stop taking on more than you and your group are equipped to handle. There's no shame in admitting you're under equipped to do an investigation.
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
I should put out there as I have before we do pay the bill payers to run our recording systems and camaras this costs 10 pounds a hour for 1 camara 20 pounds a hour per DVR system so for 10 hours with one camara and system we pay just over 300 pounds the minimum we use is two system (which are 4 ways) and 5 camaras (usually we run two camaras to DVR recording system as it is easier to watch on splitt screen) this usually cost 1000 pounds a night we have only ever charged 300 pounds once and this was the owners choice as someone smashed up our camaras (later found out to be one of his employees who he then fired for personal reasons involving one of our female investigators) so if we charge say 250 pounds we would be paying 750 pounds, before insurance/handling fees taking in to count. The research I have done on the abandoned building and Leith haunting has cost over 800 pounds now 200 to the Malaysian government to see police records etc. And just over 600 pounds on the leith one now 300 pounds to current owners as they had old records for the whole of leith and they get made to pay premiums for insurance which we understand, the equipment we took with us on the last nvestigation was just over 20, 000 pounds on which the insurance is just over 200 pounds a month, so for the last investigation we paid out just over 3,500 pounds which is all a loss. If you were to pay a researcher to do what we do they would take about 500 pounds a week from you (we know this as we used to use one)
Manafon (4 stories) (74 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Tweed--I do remember the ruckus caused by that poster. Maybe he should have claimed to be "a big time ghost hunter of mundane and insignificant incidents" 😁 It always pays to have truth in advertising! Also wanted to say I am happy to be back on YGS. Was just unusually busy the last few weeks.
Tweed (22 stories) (2034 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Manafon, I don't know if you were around when that drama unfolded. The guy in that link claimed to be a big shot ghost hunter. (See lost grip on reality) Then he submitted that story. It was all pretty amusing. Still is!
Tweed (22 stories) (2034 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
hahahhaha! Manafon I never thought of that, so true! Nice to see you around here again. 😊
Manafon (4 stories) (74 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Hi Tweed--One thing is for sure, if the guy from the link you sent did a paranormal investigation his findings would be "pretty true". 😆
Tweed (22 stories) (2034 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
I wonder if this guy charges for investigations:
Http://www.yourghoststories.com/real-ghost-story.php?story=21847
(Couldn't help myself!😆)
lexi-loo (1 stories) (175 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
wow it is amazing how much bad karma you can get for proving a point and giving someone an answer to a pointless question nice one
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Goggzy: You're charging for services rendered. It's a fact any way you slice it. Taking and accepting donations is one thing, and an ethical, reputable group would only accept whatever is offered.

Maybe your group should do what most others do and that is charge your own members a monthly fee. Get organized. Have a president, secretary, treasurer, etc, like any other business. The dues paid by members help defray any costs/overhead incurred. Yes, it comes out of your pocket. No, you won't see a financial return. But if you're really interested in HELPING then this would be the way to go.

Sorry, but I'll never recommend a group that charges, or puts a monetary number amount on "donations" they deem necessary to continue to operate.

I'm frustrated and done with this conversation.
lexi-loo (1 stories) (175 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
ok lady glow I see that's youve had issues with a few of my comments so let's clear this up

I am 30 years old a female I have 3 boys 5yo 4yo and 3yo I have a 9 year old sister and a 33 year old brother I have 5 nieces and 1 nephew so I hope this enough info on my life for you to stop critising my personal life and pay more attention to posts and storys (no offence intented)
lexi-loo (1 stories) (175 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
yes lady glow and if you would kindly go back and look at another post where I stated the 9 year old was a friend of my 9 year old sister
lady-glow (7 stories) (1516 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Lexi-loo: I thought your children are 5, 4 and 3...and now you are talking about a 9 YO? 😕
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Lexi-loo

Yeah we had a guy with us in Australia at the mental hospital who didn't realise he was starting to feel different even though before we went in and he was fine for about 5 minutes speaking to us, and all of a sudden he started crying without realising and he had 7 years experience which weirded us all out.

The first case that we had a rookie on was really funny he heard one of us placing a camara upstairs while he put a EVPs recorder in the kitchen and ran out, he had a client with him at this time, so we sat him down asked him what he thought he did wrong and he never understood why running away like a baby with a client watching you is wrong, well as far as I know this guy has never been near another investigation for another group.
lexi-loo (1 stories) (175 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
i could just picture her face as you told her hehe

Its just my personality that I stupidly laugh if I'm spooked or even nervous but haven't really been spooked by anything apart from when I was younger when my friends and I would do spooky things

But to be honest if id ever seen a ghost I probably wouldn't even notice it as I'm quite oblivious to things around me like when I have been outside and someone ahead of me shouted on me id look behind me to see who it was (done this a few times) 😆
Goggzy (guest)
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Lexi-loo

She sits at the table out the back and gets her kids to come in to get her juice etc., her kids love the idea of seeing a ghost her oldest son has seen one of our spirits suposedly as he was talking about it and bragging that he has saw one.

My favourite moment was last winter (we had really bad snow) and she sat in my garage were all the reviewing gets done, when I told her she was sitting at the chair I use to listen/watch ghosts. Her face was amazingly scared.
lexi-loo (1 stories) (175 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-08-29)
lol I could imagine her friend standing outside the house getting a cup off coffee passed through the window
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Lexi-loo

Yeah it's quite funny actually as my house has a few spirits, one of my wife's best friends always scares herself if she hears any noise in the house at one point before we started investigating she wouldn't step foot in the house.
lexi-loo (1 stories) (175 posts)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
sorry I didn't say in the post that I don't think it was paranormal or that just that things can happen and we don't notice and just instantly think its down to ghosts and spirits

Ive never really had any paranormal experiences in this house (apart from a 9 year old saying she seen a ghost in my room)

I just think sometimes peopme jump to paranormal reasons before the most obvious. 😊
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-29)
Lexi loo

This might not have been any ghost as this does happen a lot my wife has a lot of vest tops and this happens a lot

Manafon

This is to pay for insurance it really is pointless sometimes as we pay for electric that we use, and lose money doing that.
Manafon (4 stories) (74 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-08-28)
Goggzy--I assumed you all have full time jobs. I was agreeing with Zzgranny that charging for any aspect of an investigation where you have been given the privilege to enter someone's house, for instance, is a rare and unique opportunity that should be all the payment you want. I used to drive up to two hundred miles one way to do investigations and was thrilled I was being asked (or rather the group) to investigate an allegedly haunted locale.

I am not sure what, "it would be donations to keep everything running as charges change form (sic) 70 pounds to 250 pounds" means. Are you saying to keep your equipment running you charge between 70 and 250 pounds depending on the size of the location? If so, when I used to investigate, if the location was a large one (and to offset our own out of pocket costs) we would call in a few more people to pitch in. We never asked someone we were conducting an investigation for to pay equipment upkeep expenses. The people asking you in to investigate, and who usually are going a bit out of their way to do so, should never be charged. My philosophy was that it was something I loved doing so the payment was having people call to investigate their location. Charging anything for paranormal investigating makes it seem suspect.

Hobbies always cost something and paranormal investigating is exactly the same. There will always be a few people calling you in to get some publicity for their business but you really have to just forget about those and focus on the genuine locations that you are lucky enough to experience. The real hauntings should dispel any bad taste a fake haunting leaves.
lexi-loo (1 stories) (175 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-08-28)
strangest thing just happened to me or I assume it is strange as I don't recall doing it... I was just sittin reading these comments and (im wearing a thin strap vest top) I rolled the bottom of my top up to the top of my rib cage as I was a bit hot about 20 minites later I felt a bit cold so I pulled my top back to normal again continued reading and felt my stomach was cold and just realised my top was rolled up again thinking to myself I didn't roll my top up so pulled it back down and I kid you not 5 minutes ago I went to the kitchen for a cig and opened my window thought its a bit cold and AGAIN my top was rolled up to my ribcage 😕 I may have rolled it up once without realising but I'm certain I didn't and twice in the space of 5 minutes I think not as I'm cold (a bit strange I may just be losing my mind... Sorry for invading the conversation just thought it was a bit weird.
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-28)
Manafon

No one earns any money from this that's why we all have full time jobs (police officer, marines and I currently do landscaping and play football part time) the easiest way to phrase it would be donations to keep everything running as charges change anywhere form 70 pounds to 250 pounds. We do charge more for our time being wasted when we could be helping someone who needs it.
Manafon (4 stories) (74 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-08-28)
I haven't been on the site for a while but wanted to comment on the subject of charging to do paranormal investigations. I was involved in two paranormal investigation groups in the 1990s and both groups varied in size from five people up to twelve and we never charged for any investigation, whether it was a private residence, restaurant or other public building. Zzgranny is spot on. Both groups I investigated with always paid for their own fuel to get to investigations/film/ cameras etc and did what we did out of a love and fascination of the field and never with any thought we should make money from it. I never had any equipment stolen during an investigation but the unexpected happens and you just have to move on. Actually it's unexpected happenings that brings those interested in paranormal subjects to the great YGS site 😁
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-28)
Zzsgranny

I got in contact with the real estate agent who got in contact with them, they knew I was a paranormal investigator looking to research the vicinity of there house. This s not illegal. The cost of research comes from the fact that depending on how old the records are we have to pay x amount to be able to see it, also we charge businesses only as the team have had too many fakers or property going missing wether this be 90 pound camaras or once our whole equipment including a 2000 pound DVR setup got stolen we later received it back with it destroyed (the hotel owner who stole it is currently in jail)
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
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2 years ago (2015-08-28)
Goggzy: I'm replying to you here so we don't clutter the other thread with off-topic chatter.

In my opinion, (and honestly most likely 99.99% of our membership would agree) it is highly frowned upon and totally unethical for paranormal groups to ask for reimbursement for any services rendered including research. This is a red flag that we warn people about.

Secondly, shame on the a$$hole who gave you personal information about the current owners. I don't care if it was "only" their e-mail address. You retained private information deceptively. I don't know about in the UK, but here in the States it's illegal to provide or obtain this information without the consent of the party in question.

This whole thing stinks, and nothing you can say to try to justify your actions is going to change that. You certainly have a lot to learn. 😐
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-28)
Rook

Well Crail was quite hard to understand we first thought it was intelligent due to the feelings usually coming when we asked how they died, but it was also in a order going from the back to the front through some rooms, we followed the feelings for about 2 hours to make sure it was like this. It was a weird case and we are still doing research. We even thought it was EMFs at one point but it was dead (0.0 while you usually get between 0.1-0.3 in buildings that are not abandoned).
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-26)
Zzsgranny

I have met a few guys over there when in CA, I don't think he was one of them though, over here we have a guy called Joe McPherson who does a lot of tech stuff in pretty much any field he is also tenured at one of the biggest universities in UK. We designed what we wanted in the rocking horse and he helped make sure the wirng etc. Was possible. This teddy is getting made by our technician as its quite easier than a horse one of the eyes is the laser grid which is working great the EMF detector is in the left paw
rookdygin (24 stories) (4320 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-08-26)
These are great sumations of investigations you have been on. I have a question about the wording of one of them...

"4 Crail, Scotland, Balcomie Castle. There was nothing here apart from feelings of dread every time we asked how they died, making us believe that it was residual and didn't know they were actually dead."

So was the groups determination 'residual' or was there an intelligent spirit there 'repeating' its 'routine in life' becasue they did not understand they were dead? I ask becasue there is a fine line between the two of them but its one that completely changes the 'dynamic' of the haunting.

Respectfully,

Rook
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
 
2 years ago (2015-08-26)
Here in the States, Dave Juliano is the go-to guy for ghost hunters.

Http://theghosthunterstore.com/shop/life-like-dogs-cats-trigger-props/

He's also an awesome person LOL
Goggzy (guest)
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2 years ago (2015-08-26)
Tweed

We are currently working on getting all recorders/camaras/laser grids etc into a teddy, this may prove useful in contacting child spirits. We did have a rocking horse with all this on it but we decided that the motion detector wasn't that useful (after 12 investigations) as it does rock naturally.
Goggzy (guest)
 
2 years ago (2015-08-25)
Tweed

Yes it has been even at my young age (22) I have so many different experiences with spirits. I myself have only came across 1 maybe 2 negatives. One I believe could possibly demonic (I have been talking to rook about this one) and one that seemed to effect a team member (see Donegal above) it does seem that most spirits are not negative or have been negative and came to grips with what they did or had done to them. I for awhile didn't think there was many demonic entity's in the world until I came across with either a negative spirit which wanted us to believe it was demonic (this has been said by a few team members I was one of them) or a demonic entity (which I have been swayed to believe it was due to evidence).

Also I wouldn't join a website like this if I didn't think it could help with more research e.g I am now researching the paranormal within Buddhism religion due to someone on this website

Thanks
Goggzy
Tweed (22 stories) (2034 posts)
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2 years ago (2015-08-25)
Hi Goggzy,

I realise you're all aware how long and patient you must be to get to the bottom of hauntings of all kinds. It must be frustrating having to leave locations because of time restraints and such.
The one in the pub at Dumfries Scotland may have just arrived as you were ready to leave! Also perhaps the missing items of clothing belonged to someone significant to this ghost. Or maybe the clothing was part of an overall message this ghost wanted you to know. Throwing glasses around sounds like the work of an individual who could have been trying their darndest to communicate with you the whole time, but for whatever reason couldn't achieve contact with any of you or the equipment. But they knew how to throw a glass, so did that right at the end. Either that or they just arrived haha!

Just going by my own personal experiences with ghosts, I've only come across a few truly negative ghosts who were truly horrible. The rest of my scary experiences have turned out to have been frustrated individuals annoyed at the communication barrier. I've come to believe that not all ghosts are naturally good at manifesting, moving objects, speaking aloud or on EVP's, whatever else. I believe this takes time and practice on the ghost's part. Also that all ghosts have their own ways of communicating, and not all are comfortable communicating with us in the physical realm. My Grandmother, for example, simply can't handle what she knows about me now. (Half my family don't know what I believe) She has a very hard time accepting that I talk to ghosts, including that I can talk to her. She won't communicate with me in any other way except visitation dreams because this is what she's comfortable with.

The point I'm trying to make is that one has to really think outside the box and try to hone in on a ghost's communication technique (s) of choice. It must be very frustrating trying to explain to clients of yours why you guys can't give them a cut and dried answer after a few hours work. It's no wonder some of your cases are ongoing.

I have found YGS to be absolutely astounding in gathering information from other people, which then can be applied to other experiences, cross referenced with similar experiences, oh the list goes on and on. I submitted a couple of stories today, one I had long assumed was a peculiar dream or two. If I'd not read an experience on here a few months ago I wouldn't have conducted my own investigation into a seemingly fantasy, dream-like detail which turned out to be a real physically living entity. I was shocked!

I work with sound and one of the biggest mistakes sound engineers make is becoming reliant on meter readouts. So many of my co-workers and contemporaries mix with their eyes, not their ears. I feel this limits ones perspective and ability greatly. There's a balance to be attained. I apply this train of thought to the paranormal part of my life also. I've never owned a paranormal detecting device, and I do pretty good at getting to the guts of what's going on. Obviously, you guys need the physical proof that cameras and meters can provide. With going from here to there and dealing with many clients, you guys really need this equipment, I understand this, believe me I do. Yet at the same time I feel finding, prioritizing a ghost's 'language of choice*', finding ways to decipher this would go a long way in determining the who, why and where of it all.

*By language of choice I mean how the individual (s) communicate, be it by manifesting, moving objects, interacting with your equipment, or any other endless ways ghosts touch base with the physical realm.

I know it sounds cheesey, and might even sound like I'm being paid to say this (I'm NOT!), but YGS, I strongly believe will open many doors for you, as it has for me, and I *think* if you stay tuned to all the stories here and remain detail orientated, you'll be knocking those cases out of the park!

Damn there was another one of your cases which I had a possibility for, I can't remember which it was now. I'll re-read your story tomorrow, running out of time now.
Until then, thanks for sharing! Hope my babbling has been enlightening!

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