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zzsgranny (18 stories) (3327 posts) mod
 
12 years ago (2010-05-05)
Gregourii: I have a couple of questions, if you don't mind... How long have your grandparents lived in this house?...How long have you been staying with them?...Do you have military experience? (I ask that because of the way you wrote the times)...Not that it matters, just curious LOL 😆...

Do you feel frightened when these things happen?...Not just spooked, really AFRAID... Or is it more like curiousity?...

Some entities are very interested and intrigued by modern technology...Obvisously, it didn't bother you TOO much, as you continued with your homework...

And I'm a little confused as to why you posted these experiences?...Do you want help, or are you just relating strange occurances?...Sorry, so many questions...

Opalone: As MUCH as I agree with you, I have to admit that there have been posters who have benefited from the expertise of Jitow and JimD... That doen't mean that every experience is "EVIL"...I completely agree with you there... But I've learned from experience that there is no arguing with folks of their mindset...Yes, there are others...It's good to have many different options posed to the posters of these stories... I really don't mean to offend you or Jitow or JimD...But, just like in the thread that I was involved in, THE AUTHOR has yet to respond, as not much has been thrown his way...

JimD and Jitow, am I the only one who learned this lesson? ❤
opaleone (41 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-05)
I have actually. I've long since read this site over and through.
And quite frankly I don't agree with you at all, in any way.
I've certainly seen in recent years a noticable upswing in the "THIS IS A DEMON!" and "EVIL!" responses posted, yes.
However all this proves is that a certain portion of the responses are from people who are fixated on the demonic.

From reading all the stories posted here by all the lovely people who traffic this site, what I've seen is that the paranormal world and it's inhabitants is as deep and large as the oceans. Or possibly just the human spirit.
And that there are untold things that we don't know about or understand. And to let fear of the unknown cause us to automatically label it "EVIL!" Seems really... Silly to me.
opaleone (41 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-05)
K. What about your response doesn't just serve to further illustrate my point about NOT just always having religious Dogma shoved down our throats?
Rather than a searching, well balanced and well rounded answer.
Also, sorry? About calling you Catholic. You are certainly Judeo-Christian though. Yes?
Jitow (362 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-05)
And by the way, there is a very extensive archive of demonic and other evil attacks on this website going back 7 or 8 years the proof is right here on this site. Read the archives and you will notice that the only permanent solution to demonic attack, evil attacks, sleep paralysis (ha) and other spiritual issues is God through Jesus Christ. I challenge you to read through them and document how many cases were stopped permanently by this and how many were permanently stopped by the combination of all other attempts, rituals and religions. You will have all the proof you will ever need or that any court of law in the land would need to make your decision. It is here in black and white if you want proof. I have, over the years read them all and can only come to one conclusion, Jessus Is The Only Way-Jitow!
Jitow (362 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-05)
I am not Catholic for starters and by far the power of God through Christ Jesus has nothing to do with whether you believe or not. The demons and other entities know His power and that is why they respond. They would react the same way if you hit them with a blessed brick. It is not the water, it is the holy blessing. The only thing that your unbelief effects is that after the name of Jesus has driven the entity away, because you do not believe in the miracle that Christ just performed to deliver you and the Holy Spirit is not present with you, the demon comes back, sees that you have not believed and torments you even worse. It is just like a priest or pastor blessing a house, if the homeowners don't believe in the blessing or Jesus, the blessing leaves the house when the clergy does. The name of Christ is enough to drive any evil away but unless you believe the blessing does not stay with you. Jesus said that when a demon is cast out of someone it wanders through dry places, and comes back to check on the soul and like a house it has been swept clean (by Jesus) but it is empty (because they did not seek to know Him more), so it gets seven or more of its friends and moves back in. Simple actually
opaleone (41 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-05)
Jitow, since you clearly believe in the demonic, and Catholisism, doing those things might work for you...
However, if you don't believe in Catholic Dogma. As I've already said..."How is Catholic holy water going to work if you don't believe in it? How is reciting the names of saints (Or whomever) going to help if you don't believe in them?
I could give you my personal pentagram and tell you it'll work to defend you, even if you don't believe it will. But it won't. The power is in you anyway... Not symbolic objects...
Also, I LOVE this whole "IT's worked for THOUSANDS of years!" I've seen that typed again and again. That's really easy to say isn't it? Since there's no way to prove it.

Also, it sees to me that most people who post stories on here are looking for a variety of opinions and comments, from a varitey of sources. Not just always having religious "solutions" (and by solutions I mean Dogma) shoved down their throats.
Jitow (362 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-05)
To appleone and JimD. JimD's advice and erring on the side of demonic is the best way to go at it. Who cares if it is not demonic, throw whatever it is out. I for one am convince that if there are actually such things as human ghosts that they are only there under demonic control. I say slap all the Jesus you can on them and drown all of them in holy water. Do not criticize if you have no alternative solution, JimD's has been proven highly effective for thousands of years.
DARKNESS (3 stories) (2022 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-04)
Try find out why this is happening in the first place is what I would do. Do the other occupants of your house experience anything at all? Maybe they could shed some light on these occurences eg: past loved ones, house history, land etc. All the best.

Thank you for sharing.

Dan
opaleone (41 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-04)
Honestly Gregourii, what all the heavy breating makes me think of is... A dog.

Did your grandparents have a dog that they lost while in that house? And if so, did it like to hang out with you?

The touching you though, and the messing with your stuff... That sounds like it might be seperate from the breathing noises. Regardless I would advise that if it's making you uncomfortable at all to speak up. The next time something happens, say in a clear and commanding tone. (and REALLY MEAN it) That they are to STOP what they are doing and LEAVE YOU ALONE.
That's always the first step.
JimD (431 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-04)
I don't doubt you're not the least bit remorseful. In fact, I'd be shocked if you would have been.

Nothing personal. Re. Psychotropic meds., I have no personal experience therewith, but I guess a person need not feel shame. I never said they should.

No hard feelings, at least by me, but I do sence a great deal of hostility, thinly veiled; in fact, not so thinly. Perhaps you could benefit from counseling - just a thought. But that's your call, not mine. I'm not a psychologist; I'm a demonologist - but you have already read that, haven't you?

And I'm not sorry (at all) for responding with identical postings (which I admit I do), WHEN THE SYMPTOMS ARE THE SAME AND ARE CLEAR - over and over again. You and I will probably never agree. These posters (90% +) are both confused and scared. My remedies work, and have been working for 2 thousand years.

Let's simply agree to disagree, ok? If you have any more questions, I'd be happy to answer. Neither you nor I caused these bads things to occur to these people, who're scared, with reasons. They simply come here for help. For their sake, I'll continue.
opaleone (41 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-04)
I didn't say you were unbalanced. I said your behaviour leads me to be concered for your welfare, and maybe you should get counseling or try some sort of medication. Lots of people are on various medications, nothing to be ashamed of...

I also said, (and I'm not ashamed of saying it.) That when all you ever respond with JImD, is basically the same old paragraph saying the same thing again and again... (Especailly when writers didn't mention anything about, or have already said they don't believe it's demonic.) it's annoying.

I don't apologize for what I said, but I am sorry if it your feelings.
JimD (431 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-04)
Hi;

I refuse to call someone unbalanced (another self appointed psychologist), but perhaps you should speak to someone about your not so concealed hostility. Anger always covers other, equally troubling issues. I push nothing - I simply offer help free of charge. It is what it is. But, more to the point, I don't focus on anything. I simply respond to these posts - the posters, not I, present the demonic. Pounding on walls, feats of physical strenght - how can that be explained?

I did't know you are a lady; so, therefore, Maam, you're entitled to your beliefs, and that's your right. I am entitled to mine. Try not to get ugly and attack, fair enough? My methods do work, and demons do bring both fear and chaos. These posters need help, which I civily provide. I ask you, maam, to try and do so like wise. OK?, doc? Lol OK, I can be a little sarcastic, too. God bless. Dukes 2352atAOL.com.By the way, I never suggested saying the names of saints. St. Michael is an Archangel, and not a saint.

Maam, if you'd asked your two very reasonable questions (which were quite good, by the way), I'd happily answer, but you, maam, choose to get nasty. But to answer, demons are terrified of those names and Catholic Holy water. There is a good psychologist, in NYC, to whom I refer people, after, their night assaults are forcibly stopped, which is the only thing that these things understand. First, I help stop the assaults, and then I refer them to a spiritual, well grounded counsler - if you're interested.
opaleone (41 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-04)
lol, I'm not a sir. And what exactly led you to that conculsion? The fact that I confronted you?

Also. WReck72.
I can fault someone for pushing their beliefs on everyone else. Which I feel that JimD is doing by never having anything to add to a discussion except that it was demons or melevolent energies.
From all appearences (and what else do we all have of each other on here?) He never considers any other option before going with
"EVIL!" Frankly JimD, you seen seriously and potentially harmfully fixcated on only the negative aspects of the paranormal.

Also, this might be petty, but I have to ask... How is Catholic holy water going to work if you don't believe in it? How is reciting the names of saints goin to help if you don't believe in them?
In quite the same way holding a pentagram or a golden apple wouldn't do anything for JimD (or anyone else who IS Catholic. That's why I don't constantly suggest it.
WReck72 (1 stories) (116 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-04)
Actually based on no religious principals JimD's advice should still actually be some help. It helps with peace of mind which should reduce stress and puts people at ease which is very helpful. Also holy water is sometimes salted which is thought to be helpful by many beliefs. While I do not always agree with JimD. I think that because he is so versed in catholic demonology. That fails to see other possibilities. His intention is to help the best way he knows and I do not think you can fault some one for that.
JimD (431 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-04)
Hi;

I stand by my posts; please use that Catholic Holy water. I promise it'll help.

Sir, I won't lower myself to your level - you're obviously an uninformed biggot, and you're absolutely not worth more of a reply. For all others, I'm here to help. God bless you all.
opaleone (41 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-04)
I am personally getting so very, very tired of certain people constantly talking about demons. Usually people that are so focused on the evil and demonic are having certain emotional or mental issues...
JimD.
Maybe you need some therapy, or some medication... Or possiblly just to take the hint that your responses aren't actually helpful most of the time...
see27burn (1 stories) (20 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-04)
I have had the same type experiences. Breathing, dark shadows, talking in my ear. I never really thought it could be a demon. But wow. This is all crazy. But it is good to know. Thank you for sharing your story!
And thank you JimD
JimD (431 posts)
 
12 years ago (2010-05-04)
Hi;

I'm a demonologist, and the symptoms, i.e. Black shadow, breating with nobody there, which we call 'magical wisperings', are all demonic.

If Catholic, attend Mass, receive Holy commmunion, and go to confession - often. The Holy Rosary also helps.

Whether Catholic or not, get and liberally use Catholic Holy water, especially at night. All CAtholic churches have Holy water fonts at the back; it's free to all. Tank up. Also, say the names Jesus, Mary, and St. Michael the Archangel - often. Use these names, either out loud or in your own mind, whenever you see this demon again. You probably will. God bless and keep me posted. Dukes2352atAOL.com.

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