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Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4998 posts) mod
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11 years ago (2011-09-13)
In my opinion, this karma points thing is getting way too much attention and is basically taking away from the stories. Oh, don't get me wrong, when I noticed yesterday that I'd lost 40-some pts, I thought wth! 😆. But seriously, if this is the only reason we're reading the stories and commenting, something is wrong, y'all. Really wrong. What started out as helping people has turned into who has the most karma points? Nah... Just take mine away if that's the case.

And Indigo - I guess I missed the comment where someone suggested people think you are whitebuffalo 😕
cosmogal926 (9 stories) (1223 posts)
+5
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
Thank you Miracles, and you are so right. "Love isn't bioligical, It's in your heart" That is my new favorite quote. ❤ 😊
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4998 posts) mod
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11 years ago (2011-09-13)
cosmogal - bless your heart, I know what it took for you to speak up like this ❤.

I didn't have time yesterday to say my piece, but today I have a few extra minutes. Some of y'all know I'm a "stepmom", as well as a "mom". I have two stepdaughters. Even though their dad and I divorced and he has since died, they are still my stepdaughters. They have given me three grandsons and they are both pregnant. I love the girls as if I had given birth to them. They were 8 and 4 when their dad and I married. I divorced him, not them. I've been at every graduation, marriage and birth, ultrasound appointments, birthdays, holidays, get-togethers, etc. We're family.

Love isn't biological. It's in your heart.
cosmogal926 (9 stories) (1223 posts)
+5
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
[at] DeviousAngel, I am so happy that you brought up Foster parents. It's understandable for people who have their own children to get defensive when discussing opinions about how to raise them or what to teach them in certain situations.

I see where you are coming from Devious and as I have had experience with children I do not have any of my own. Neither does a very close friend of mine.
When we were little my friends parents became foster parents to a baby boy. That family loved that baby like it was their own. My friend instantly considered him her brother and after years of going back and forth between his natural mother and his foster parents he wanted to stay with my friends family permanantly. He always told my friends mother that he considered them his family and so after going through the proper channels they adopted him.

My friend and I are both married and in our 30's. We also have another thing in common, due to medical conditions we are unable to have our own children.
The family is currently fostering a pair of twin boys and are going back and forth to court trying to adopt them as well. My friend loves those babies as if they were her own, and the twins love her and her family so much that they can not stand to be away from them. So tell me, is that not unconditional love?

I know that there are situations where a child does not have a good experience with foster care, or adoption, and that is horrible. But you can not discredit or dismiss when a child is brought into a home where they are loved and cared for. So, when the phrases "You don't have any REAL experience", and "It's different when it's your own child" are put out there. That's when people like my friend and I get offended.

Some people are very lucky to have their own children, and then there are people like my friend and I who would give everything and practically have for it.

So, thank you again Devious for bringing up Foster parents and giving me the chance to prove that you were right.

😊 ❤
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
Lou,
I hadn't thought of it that way, but you could be right.
And you aren't the only one to suffer from collateral damage. There are others as well. We won't drag them into this though, they've suffered enough. Poor things! They can barely get themselves up to graze anymore.
Birds of a feather and all that.

Jav
LouSlips (10 stories) (979 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
Jav,
I'm just collateral damage most of the time. I only become the focus when I overreact to being called a mindless sheep... Wait a minute,...sheep, hogs... Is this quadrupedal discrimination? Should we call the human rights society or the spca?

I would say I'm kharmally challenged... But it makes me want a candy bar.

Lou
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
+3
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
Jav--"your friend Succubussed"--lol. That would be funny if it was not so sad. You are coming up with mindless digs because you have nothing better to say. It was not even really a good dig, either. If you have such concerns, why don't you ask "your friend Succubussed" yourself whether or not we are 'friends'? You are so big and bad, hiding behind your keyboard.

Anyway, I think the karma point system is a good idea but I can certainly see cases of people abusing it. Not that it really matters to me what my karma is. I do not think it says anything about me as a person. I spoke my mind long before that system came into affect, I see no reason to change now because I am afraid someone might 'knock me down' in points.

I am done with this whole thread, I think. I spoke my opinion, and what anyone decides to make of it is up to them. If I offended anyone in what I said, that was not the intention.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
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11 years ago (2011-09-13)
Lou,
Apparently, this subject was put to rest after the previous posters had their say. And I'm reasonably certain no one expected to hear any more about it. But you see, none of them have really been on the receiving end of the abuse. So they are only speaking as half hearted observers of this phenomenon. Not as one who has put up with the abuse, tried to fight it, and been overwhelmed. Only to bounce back anyway (much to the chagrin of the abusers) and start all over again.
I say until they've experienced what that is like, they really have no idea what they're talking about. You?

Jav
LouSlips (10 stories) (979 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
Jav,
Really,... I hadn't noticed. Well, at least Martin has created a system to let us read the comments that have been voted down, even from you. With any luck, the cool kids will come around.
I wish I could get a +5 on every one of my comments, but I guess my fan base isn't big enough yet. Must be that old autonomous thinking thing... It can't be sarcasm, that's for sure.
Sharpen your hooves darlin', the bands about to take the stage, and I see a few twirls in your future.

Lou
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
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11 years ago (2011-09-13)
Well, since others already voiced most of what I feel the point system was meant for, I'd like to address what I feel it WASN'T meant for.
I don't feel it was meant to be used as a way to try and hide others comments who aren't of the same mind as you. There are plenty of times people do not agree with each other without it resorting to a full on gang up on the same poster each time. As I've said numerous times, it's not the gain or loss of points that I have a problem with. It's the abuse of the system when you use them as a club against those who've already established a somewhat decent reputation, only as an attempt to sully it. Thankfully, others are seeing through that tactic and finally opening up to say how they feel about it. To those posters I say "Thank You". They are the ones who will help keep the integrity of this site up to par.

Jav
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
-1
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
[at] Indigo No it's not going to bother me THAT bad. I'm not going to leave this site because of that...I'm not trying to be whiny, I just was saying that if I have a problem with that I'm going to do the same thing I did here and move on.
Indigo (263 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
Thanks Martin! I was wondering how it worked entirely. I didn't know if it banned screen names or just blocked certain posts.

I like my karma points. I'm pretty proud of them actually, as are many others. Everyone here is basically on an honor system. We are supposed to HONORABLY give a karma point or take one away. If you give a karma point wrongly, just because you don't like someone, or they disagree with you, you merely dishonor yourself, not the person you pointed up because they're your buddy, or pointed down because they aren't your buddy. Dishonor isn't cool.
DragonStorm80 (1 stories) (440 posts)
+3
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
[at] DARKNESS and a karma point for you for being so karmarifferous yourself over there, yes I made up a word and I like it! 😆
Nysa (4 stories) (685 posts)
+4
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
I got the idea that karma points were for rating the usefulness of each response. Whether we thought the comment added to the conversation or brought it down, rather than whether we thought the poster was mean or nice.
DARKNESS (3 stories) (2022 posts)
+2
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
Well addressed Indigo and Martin, I like that this was brought up and just for that you both receive a positive Karma point lol.😁

Dan
Martin (602 posts) mod
+7
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
Karma works well for extreme cases, undesirable people have a very low score and their downvoted posts get hidden after a certain level, while highly respected posters get a high score, so people can rely more on what they're saying by checking their profile page. Anything in between is debatable, hehe. But points don't have any real consequences on the site other than reputation. You actually need to do something pretty bad to be banned. Fabricating stories would be up there in the list.
Indigo (263 posts)
+5
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
Not to sound disrespectful here, but do bad karma points cause open flesh wounds? Do you get kicked off the site if you have a certain number of negative karma? Can you not just use another email address and come back as a brand new entity? (apparently many people already have many times, hell, I myself was thought to be a person called white buffalo, lol).

My point is, karma is a good thing on this site. It keeps most posters from openly fighting, but it doesn't stop the "asspancakes" from posting their crap, and it allows us to roughly know who's in the "idiot brackets" and who isn't when we are new, like I am. But does bad karma REALLY stop you from posting how you feel? I don't think that's what Martin had in mind (I take it he's the site owner) as he seems to be a pretty sensible kind of person.

I think anyone "sensible" that posts "sensibly" can afford to lose a few karma points, as people like me follow behind "righting obvious wrongs" and give unfair points back. Just because you are angry or dislike someone isn't a reason to immaturely give negative karma. Real LIFE karma will come back to you for exactly this reason!
ngute80 (220 posts)
+2
11 years ago (2011-09-13)
I 100% agree with Javelina and MissyM. I think other people would to if they weren't afraid of negative karma points.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
[at] DeviousAngel,
Being a former foster child myself, and yes you can ask your friend Succubussed about that, I can tell you here and now that what I experienced certainly wasn't unconditional love. Not a good analogy in my opinion.
Here's the deal, when I'm wrong I admit it and keep on going. When you're wrong, you don't ever see it. You just keep looking for a different angle. Let it go Devious, it isn't going to get any better. Just move on.

Jav
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
+3
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
MissyM, I can understand where you are coming from, and I am sorry if you perceived it differently than I intended, but I was not stating that I have all the world's knowledge about parenting by taking care of other people's kids. I am saying that if I HAD kids, that is what I would teach them. Just because a child is not YOUR child does not mean that you do not unconditionally love them and want the best for them. Otherwise you are saying that any and all foster parents are incapable of loving their children the way maternal/paternal parents do, and I am sure that those individuals would beg to differ.
MissyM (2 stories) (152 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
Javelina
"The next thing you did, and continue to do, is you tried to tell the rest of us with children how to raise them. That does not sit well with some of us. Especially coming from someone with no REAL experience in raising kids. Sure, you can cite what you have experienced with your cousins, but until you have spent every night and day, since becoming a mother, doing all you can to raise them to be responsible and caring adults, you really don't have any business doing so."

"I find it absolutely fascinating that the only time any of my comments get voted out of existence is when they have something to do with DeviousAngel.
Just sayin'..."

In the risk of getting bad karma I 100% agree with the above comments.

DeviousAngel
Reading your comments in this thread got my "heckles" up. Not that I didn't feel what you were trying to say wasn't valid. I DO AGREE that parents should teach their children to stand up for themselves. It's the way you went about your comments that got the Mommy bear in me going. The way you made it seem like because you have taken care of other people's kids and not actually being a parent yourself you should "know" something about parenting and what your talking about. Well, I have taken care of other people's children before having my own and it is DEFENETLY not the same. I think if it was gone about differently all this back and forth would have been saved. 😕
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3327 posts) mod
+6
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
DARKNESS and Dragonstorm: Thank you for your thoughts! ❤...It was a tough day yesterday, 10 freaking years already... But it's what we have to do: "never forget" ❤ ❤
DragonStorm80 (1 stories) (440 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
Javvie ~ I am glad you have all made it through okay ❤ My thoughts have been with everyone over there the last 48 hours, lots of shows on TV in rememberance over here, so you have all been in my thoughts 😊 😊
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+3
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
[at] Dragonstorm,
Thank you sweetheart. It was a long day that I'm glad is over. So many tears, so many lost souls. 😢

Jav ❤
DragonStorm80 (1 stories) (440 posts)
+5
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
I forget you guys are 12 hours behind us aussies, hope all is well with the rememberance of all that was lost on 9/11 ❤
PrettyInPain (3 stories) (153 posts)
+2
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
Thanks for the thoughfulness, [at] DARKNESS! It's very much appreciated. 😊
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
-1
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
Jav - maybe because people disagree with your perpetually sweet, genial nature toward me in particular, no matter what my opinion is and what the topic is about? Just sayin'.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
[at] zapa,
You have got to toughen up kiddo! You have no idea how it can get here, I know. So what if we made a joke about you? You were kind of asking for it the way you were acting. Now get over it and move on. That's how you get along around here. I put my foot in the fire for you, I'm not asking for anything in return. But if Devious said something funny tomorrow, I'd be the first one giving her a thumbs up for it! That's just how it is. That's life!

Jav
Indigo (263 posts)
+5
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
Zapa-honestly, you're supposed to be a young adult, not a dramateen here. My point is they thought you were someone else. BIG DEAL. Who cares? You going to let that bother you enough to go away? If so, fine. Bye. If not, don't let it get to you and start posting the whiny: oh gee, I'm going to have problems with this site stuff. Just move on, keep posting your regular thing and who gives a flying chit if you're mistaken by someone else in a cocky way? Dang. Stop acting like you're twelve when your profile says you're a young adult. Nobody cares if you stay, nobody cares if you go, there'll be a newbie to replace you tomorrow. This is life. It's not always fun, but it is what you make it. Devious was right. Not everyone here is going to coo or oooh and aaaah just because you posted something. There are going to be arguments and you aren't always going to like the outcome. People are going to give bad karma just because they can. Big deal also, bad site karma ain't going to kill you sweetie. Neither is someone thinking you're someone else. If you ain't them just say nope and move on like you would in the 3D world.
DARKNESS (3 stories) (2022 posts)
+2
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
Yeh I saw that Jav and he hasnt been back which is a good thing! Way out of line he was in my honest opinion! Dont hold back on your kicking friend! 😊 😊 ❤
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
-1
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
[at] Indigo No they didn't mistakenly, they told me I was. In a kind of cocky way.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+2
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
Thank you Danny Boy, we appreciate that. I just had to go over and kick that guy one time who tried to make a joke out of it a while back. I just felt like I needed to kick something, you know?

Jav 😢
DARKNESS (3 stories) (2022 posts)
+5
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
Hahaha that it was Jav, hope all is well for all you Americans on this Day! Thinking of you all from Australia! 😊

Dan
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+3
11 years ago (2011-09-12)
DARKNESS,
I agree! That was pretty cute. 😊 Don't work too hard!

Jav
DARKNESS (3 stories) (2022 posts)
+3
11 years ago (2011-09-11)
Pffft haha LouSlips your comment about Miracles in her witch costume had me cracking up at work my friend lol. 😆 😁 😊
Indigo (263 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-11)
Lol at zapamay- if you run away simply because two people on a website mistakenly thinks you're someone else, what's that say about your character? Geez. No wonder you have ghosts that you think you can't stand up to! My suggestion? Sprout some intestinal fortitude, suck it up, move on lol. Not being mean here at all, but if the worst thing in life that happens to you is a small case of Internet misidentification then congratulations!

Seriously, don't sweat the small stuff, and it's ALL small stuff.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-11)
I find it absolutely fascinating that the only time any of my comments get voted out of existence is when they have something to do with DeviousAngel.
Just sayin'...

Jav 😊
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-11)
[at] DeviousAngel The story is true, but I was affected by your comment because I thought you were intentionally trying to make me mad, and now I realize that you weren't. I never expected anyone to pity me or be scared or anything, I posted it because that's what you do on this website, you post true ghost stories.

I wish we can just leave this all behind. I think I'm going to have troubles on this website because two people accused me of being another person because I posted my opinion on a story. I hope if I get into an argument with them that I'll be able to do the same.

Xoxoxoxoxoxoxo zapamay
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-11)
[at] Devious,
I apologize for not explaining clearly. It was more of a perceived assumption that we didn't already do just that, compounded by the lesson plan provided, that caused the raised hackles.

Jav
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
+4
11 years ago (2011-09-10)
To the moms here who got their hackles raised by my comments, I think you guys are on the attack for something I am not questioning. I am not questioning anyone's skills as a parent or ability to be a good mother. I am not chastising you for being compassionate to your children. I am simply stating my point of view on teaching your children self-defense in frightening or potentially violent situations as opposed to allowing them to say, "I will never go in that room again because I saw something scary there". If that were the case, half of the people on this site would have been chased out of their own homes by now. No, I would not 'turn away' a frightened child, but I WOULD tell them that the most important thing is not to 'take it'. Zapamay or zap's mom or whoever, yes, you CAN stand up to spirits. They may not be bound by the laws of physics as we are, but humans have powers that surpass the logical as well. We have the power of suggestion, the power of intimidation, and at times, the power to exceed the 'average' human's limitations of physical and mental capability. Do not take my word on it. Look up stories like "I Attacked A Shadow Person" which is under my favorite stories in my profile. That story is an excellent example of someone turning their fear and/or surprise into self-defense. I know that other posters can attest to reading similar stories where someone yelled at a spirit or stood their ground and said something to the effect of "if you are going to scare me and/or my loved ones, I will show you straight to the door, and don't let it hit you in the happy parts on the way out." Obviously a child is not going to understand right away that they can defend themselves in scary situations, and the normal reaction is to get scared and cry, scream, run to the parents, etc. That is perfectly understandable. But that is where you come in, to give them the confidence and the knowledge on how to stand up to the baddies. That is all I am saying.

"Maybe they don't mean any harm, but they can voice their opinion while not making the poster feel like they're crazy."

Well I am sorry that you feel like you are crazy, but if your experience was true, why would my opinion affect your belief in the validity of your experience? Do not come to a public forum and expect every single person to coo over how sorry they are this happened to you or ooh and ahh about how scary it is. There will be skeptics, and I myself am one. Hell, I would be a skeptic against my own stories if I had not experienced them personally, and I would not blame anyone if they did not believe my encounters. The only thing that is important to me is that I experienced them, and I know what I saw/experienced. If you are confident in your experience then just ignore me and move on.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-10)
[at] zapamay,
Don't misunderstand me here, but they are welcome to comment on any experience they like. All of us are. We just had a difference in opinion, that's all. This site is all about opinion and discussion, that's what we do. I can't and won't try to stop anyone from airing their honest opinion. Just as they can't stop me from airing mine. And I suggest you get used to that if you want to get along here.
I stepped in here because I felt that what was going on was wrong in this instance. That does not extend to other experiences. I am no ones protector.

Jav
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
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11 years ago (2011-09-10)
[at] Javelina Yes it is all behind us all hopefully now. That is unless they comment again about something. Thank you for everything once again.
Xoxoxoxo zapamay
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+2
11 years ago (2011-09-10)
[at] zapamaysmom,
Thank you for explaining about the book. It makes more sense now. I may have pissed off several people with what I said, but if you hang around here long enough you'll find I do that quite a bit. I'm just that way when it comes to kids. I've raised three daughters, all grown now, but all very tough cookies. I pity the soul who comes up against any one of them. But when they were small, if they were scared, they slept with me too. I can't imagine anyone turning their child away at a time like that. All that does is make them a victim twice over.

Jav
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-10)
Ok...the mother is here again! I'm going to have to make my own account!:p

First of all, I want to say thank you to Javelina! It's nice to have another mother's perspective. So many kids are dismissed when they experience these things, & although many of them are normal nightmares & such, there are many that are something else entirely. Regardless, they all deserve to be comforted, rather than be told to just lay there by themselves, scared to death.

[at] stephy... Raiding my daughter's iPad?! I asked her if I could use it, this was up, & I asked her if I could read her story. Know your facts before you try to make an issue out of nothing.

[at] deviousangel...Making a 3 year old stand up for themselves in an instance such as this is insane. Seeing something like that is horrifying, & so incredibly different than standing up to a kid on the playground. I don't care how many kids you've taken care of... I took care of kids before I had my own, too. I loved them & cared for them deeply, but it is in no way comparable to having your own child. Here's my point: Somebody who doesn't have kids has no place giving out parenting advice... Especially about something like this, & especially with the kid who had no control over how they were being parented. That's how this all started.

Although I've had more than my fair share of paranormal experiences, it's something that's hard to believe no matter how many times it happens to you. One thing I do know, though, is my kids. My sons have never experienced anything, & I've never seen my daughter scared like that before or since. I truly believe she saw what she says. A few months worth of letting her sleep in our bedroom didn't take away her ability to stand up for herself. Over the years I helped her understand these types of things, & taught her how to deal with them. She's never had any issues dealing with anything that she's experienced in this house. Nothing in this house is malevolent, though, either. After a lifetime of constant happenings, I was scared to go to bed even as a teenager. I could stand up to any real person...it's just not the same! Knew that the "regular" things would usually go away if I asked, but the things that wanted to scare me were going to do it no matter what. I ended up sneaking into the living room almost every night, just so I could get some restful sleep. Otherwise, I'd be woken up throughout the night, sometimes too scared to move or even yell for someone. Whatever it was, its sole purpose was to terrify me. We moved when I was 17, & I had no issues like that ever again. I was not about to expect my 3 year old to deal with something like that. If it left her alone in my bedroom, then that's where she was going to sleep. I'd be hard pressed to find many mothers who would disagree.

This is the last thing I swear! I want to explain about the witchcraft book. She was mistaken about that. The book was one of many in a box of mainly children's books I got for free. I did know it was there, & it's something that interested me back in my younger days, but I never did read the book, or any other witchcrafty type things, or partake in any such activities. It didn't even cross my mind that it was an issue, & I had forgotten about it until our pastor asked me out of the clear blue if I had anything like that in the house. He said he was worried... At that point I had never told anybody what had happened. After I told him what was going on in our house, his daughter asked me where we lived. We came to find out her friend lived in the same house & moved out because of her son being scared to death of things he saw, too. They had the house blessed & it still didn't stop. I got rid of the book that same night, but things still happened off & on until we moved.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-10)
[at] zapamay,
Don't worry. What was said is over with now. Lets just let it be behind us from here on out, OK?
[at] everyone else,
Thank you for understanding.

Jav
Indigo (263 posts)
+5
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
Zapa, yes, you CAN stand up to ghosts and demons, it works but you have to have confidence no matter what technique you use.
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
[at] DeviousAngel Okay, let me clear this up.

I posted this for other people to enjoy a true ghost story like this website is for. I did not expect this to turn into an argument, I just wanted to see if anyone else experienced this also.

You can not 'stand up' to demons or ghosts, yes you can get a priest or a medium, but sometimes these things don't work.

My mom was tortured by evil spirits her whole life, and her mother didn't understand, so she didn't want me to have to deal with that. She wanted to be understanding too.

I understand you wanted to voice your opinion, but you made me feel like I was a crazy, attention seeking loser. Which I'm not. I didn't want attention, I'm not crazy either, I just wanted to post a ghost story.
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
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11 years ago (2011-09-09)
[at] Javelina Thank you again, you totally cleared up my whole reason I put this on here.

I put this story on here to see if anyone had any expeiriences like this too, and just for a creepy true ghost story and what not.

I don't know why they need to bother me and tell me my own life expeirience is not true, but they need to stop it.

And yes it did look like they were making fun of me by their posts, but they deny it.

Maybe they don't mean any harm, but they can voice their opinion while not making the poster feel like they're crazy.

Thank you so much ❤

Xoxoxo, zapamay
Indigo (263 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
Btw, the comment was between you and stephy, and no, I wasn't lecturing. Just sayin.
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
[at] stephyw2001 All I'm saying is that I saw you and devious angel on another post telling the person their story is fake. I wasn't directly pointing it at you, and wasn't you that started it.
Indigo (263 posts)
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11 years ago (2011-09-09)
Lol devious, the woman scaring the crap out of her bfs daughter...
Growing up as a child, teen, then adult, MY OWN mom was the most scary thing I've ever encountered in my life! Not at all in a bad way, either! I'm very glad to have grown up to be like her in the sense that now I'm the scariest thing in my own house lol, and that goes for anywhere my family goes as well! My family has watched me turn from butterfly to grizzly bear in. 07 seconds flat to protect them, even if it's from themselves. This is our jobs as women, not to be abusive in any way, but fierce guardians and respected protectors. Not every child is abused, it's a good thing that everyone is on guard for abuse, but this is a double edged sword. Everyone being on guard for abuse has made many newer parents fear their children, and this is damaging society to an extent. I was never in fear of my parents beating me, and my fear of them, especially my mother, was more a fear of shaming or hurting her in any way. I can count the number of times on one hand that either of them ever spanked me, but never beat me. There is a huge difference between a healthy scary and unhealthy
I'm proud to be able to say that I am a strong parent, I learned from a strong parent, and that the children I've raised are strong parents. Lol being a scary mom or parent isn't always a bad thing as long as it's not from abuse. Try to imagine that every parent out there nowadays is under the scrutiny of everyone they encounter. Point a finger in the wrong direction you get grizzly in. 07 seconds lol.
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
You are mistaken. I have no motives, just an opinion. Sorry to diappoint. 😉
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
Here's what I believe got this little problem started.
D/A, hold on to that down voting arrow, you're going to need it.
I believe, and correctly I'm sure, that Devious' only reason for even commenting on this story at all is because of the mentioning of books on witchcraft. And you may get all huffy and deny this Devious, but you have already established a pattern in that area. That's my specialty, following patterns. It's what my brain does very well. And yes dear, I have been tested. ALL MY LIFE, I HAVE BEEN TESTED. I watch and follow patterns of behavior. It's no big deal and others already know this about me. I'm not always correct in my conclusions about the reason for the behavior, but I am about the behavior itself.
The fact that you haven't mentioned the books on witchcraft as being the reason you decided to try and debunk this persons experience doesn't matter one bit. And I'm sure I'll get a whole bunch of crap for even saying this, but I've been there before with "you people" and I'm reasonably sure I'll be there again after this one.
The next thing you did, and continue to do, is you tried to tell the rest of us with children how to raise them. That does not sit well with some of us. Especially coming from someone with no REAL experience in raising kids. Sure, you can cite what you have experienced with your cousins, but until you have spent every night and day, since becoming a mother, doing all you can to raise them to be responsible and caring adults, you really don't have any business doing so.

Stephy, you made it seem that you were laughing at the author when you followed D/A on this page. Sorry, but that's how it looks. Every post by D/A was followed by a "ha ha ha" (or close to it) from you. So yes, you put yourself in with D/A by doing so.

Everyone else can do or say what you please here, and I'm sure you will, but just put yourselves into the shoes of a kid who comes here to tell her experience with the paranormal. You think you have FINALLY found people who might understand the loneliness you have dealt with all your life by holding this in, knowing others wouldn't believe you and call you crazy. And just when you think you've found somewhere to discuss it... This happens.
And let's just be clear here folks. You know I'm not saying we should believe every BS story that gets posted, you know me better that that. But jumping on this one was not right. Now just get over it and leave the mother and daughter alone. Stop picking little things to fight back with. It doesn't help, it makes it worse.

Jav
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
Wow! So this has become a discussion? Good!
It seems no one has hit on the reason why the mother was upset.
Also, we have yet to hear why this hit a nerve with anyone else either.

Jav
LouSlips (10 stories) (979 posts)
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11 years ago (2011-09-09)
DA,
In my limited mind, my point has been made. Just like the author's poor use of words in a few places; the interpretation of one's words can be varied from reader to reader. Sorry, Stephy. I did not ever think you were scaring your boyfriend's kid, but I did laugh at the wording of your statement, "I told her I was the scariest thing she would ever see in her room... And over the next few moinths I showed her it was true...". As I was saying...blah, blah, blah.
And Miracles... Show up in that witch oufit and it probably won't be your hand.:P

Lou
stephyw2001 (guest)
+2
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
[at] Miracles - don't feel bad! I'm sure you looked perfectly sexy, MEEROW! 😆 I rig my house every year. Last year I even startled grown men when I dropped my rigged giant spider on them from the roof of the porch. Mua ha ha.
[at] Jpod - aaaahhhhhhhhh... 😳 I'm slow sometimes.
sarahmariacecilia (3 stories) (105 posts)
+3
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
Sorry to cut in, but stephy you just made me crack up. Scooby Doo. That is AWESOME.:) "Well gang, mystery is solved!" *pulls off mask to reveal the monster is really...MR. WILLIAMS THE JANITOR!* You meddlin kids! 😆
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
+3
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
stephy,
"you people" was meant as a joke, as some take it as discriminatory to use in social situations.
just a little Seinfeld like humor
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4998 posts) mod
+3
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
stephy - LOL one year for Halloween, before I had children 😉, I dressed up as a witch. Now I was not a scary witch, I dressed up as a "good" witch LOL, but I scared the crap out of this little girl 😆. She wouldn't come up and get any candy from me and wouldn't let her mommy get it either. I mean she seriously was scared to death. Tears and all. Hell, I thought I looked sexy LOL
stephyw2001 (guest)
+2
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
Horray gang! Another mystery solved **cue Scoopy Doo music**. I think at least. 😕 Thank you Devious for understanding me 😜 I do in fact love scary things. And I do love scaring children on Halloween, but that's fair game! 😆
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
-1
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
LOL we are all so confused now.

Pjod: Thank you very much! 😳

Stephy: That is exactly what I got from your post, that you were teaching her not to be scared because daddy's girlfriend is scarier... Not sure how Lou got that you were scaring the crap out of his kid.

Miracles: LOL I know what you mean! I am always a day late and a dollar short. 😉
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4998 posts) mod
+3
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
stephy - LOL, if I'd have just waited a second 😆. Curse you 50 character limit!
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (4998 posts) mod
+4
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
Devious and Pjod - I believe Lou's talking about Stephy and the comment she made about telling her boyfriend's daughter that she (Stephy) would be the scariest thing she'd see... Couple of comments down.

Sorry, Lou. I hate speaking for other people, so if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me and slap my hand 😉
stephyw2001 (guest)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
I think Lou is referencing me Devious? I'm kind of confused too, because I don't scare her. 😕 I was posting earlier on this same page that I deliberatly told her there was nothing to be afraid of. She used to cry because she had a really bad childhood with her horrid mother before I moved in with her boyfriend and we took her away with the help of CPS (which is why on another post I speak so strongly). Pjod, who are you referring to "you people"? I feel I am getting lost here... 😕
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
+2
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
DA,
was looking for that post also..."woman scares bf's daughter" Not seeing it anywhere...
By the way, the pic in your profile... I must say you are one gorgeous gal. 😁
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
"You people..."
whoa! Just a minute. Let's think about that one before we get ourselves into some sort of trouble. We wouldn't want the likes of someone like the Reverend J taking this to the media.
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
Lou,

It did not really strike a nerve, and I am not mad or anything, lol. I just thought that the way she presented it made it sound fictional like she was looking for attention. I am not trying to get anyone on my side here, and even if it only bothers me, well it still bothers me. I do not need anyone to support me on that, it is just my opinion.

Woman who scares the crap out of her boyfriend's daughter? I am not sure what or who you are referencing there...
stephyw2001 (guest)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
[at] original poster: "These two people"? You best not be talking about me, child. I didn't discredit you at all. I am guilty of chatting on your story, regarding the 9 year old and her fears that I CARE OF IN MY HOME. So if you're giving me negative kharma, and referring to me here, please re-read what I wrote and understand that not everything is about you. Sorry for chatting on your story, but as the regulars on this site know, there is no "message me" button, or chat space. So chatting on someone else's story happens.

[at] poster's mother: You're raiding your "young adult" daughters i-pad? The whole point of this webpage is to post your stories for others to "analyze every little detail of someone else's story".
LouSlips (10 stories) (979 posts)
-1
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
DA,
This one seemed to strike a nerve with you...what's up with that?
We've all run across plenty of stories with things that strike us individually... But the author's "presentation of herself" only seems to have affected you...oh, and the woman who scares the crap out of her boyfriend's daughter. Please share.

Lou
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
-1
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
zapamay & mother:

As it is, I stand by my statements regardless of the negative feedback I get for it. No, I do not have children, but I have spent a great deal of time around them, and I have treated them as though they were my own. Of course I would never berate a child for seeing what the author said she did, and I would believe that it would seem very real to them. But regardless of whether it is real or not, the most important thing in the world that I think you could teach your child is to STICK UP for themselves. The author's mother's argument was that she was harassed by something in her house as she was growing up and her mother did not understand. That is not a reason to coddle your daughter in this situation. Of course she needs your love, support and understanding when these things happen, but you have a leg up on the situation: you believe her, you understand. You have been there. So why not give her what your mother should have given you; the strength to fight back when things try to scare you? The courage to stand up to something, even if it is paranormal or freaky or unknown? Get someone else involved if necessary, but do not just cower under the covers, hide in mom & dad's room or live in fear of something in your own home, no matter how little or young you may be. I have always tried to teach my little cousins that, as did their mother, and they are tough little cookies now. The youngest is 8 years old and she has no trouble sticking up for herself. Of course the paranormal is different than a mean kid on the playground, but it is essentially the same idea. Young kids have the capacity to be brave to the point of recklessness if they were raised to be strong on their own.

The way the author presented herself at certain points, it sounds like she is looking to tell a great story that people will be interested in. If her experiences are true, well that is fine, but if she did not present herself properly that is no one's fault but her own.
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
[at] Javelina Thank you for supporting us! This is the original author by the way. 😁

I have seen these two people on many other posts being like they did here, and it makes me so mad. Me and my mom don't get bothered by those kind of people though, they shouldn't act like that and they probably just want to start a fight.

You are definitely the nicest person I've met on here and I just want to say thanks!

Xoxoxo, zapamay ❤
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
+2
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
[at] zapamay's mom,
Hi! And thank you for coming on to say what you have. I have been on a kick lately here about the comments that come up whenever the author tells of an experience that occurred when they were small. It seems that many of the posters are more likely to write those experiences off as an over active imagination or a dream. This reaction has been really starting to get on my nerves. After all, it is widely theorised that younger children are more likely to be open to spiritual activity because they have not learned to fear it yet. Another theory is much more complicated and I wouldn't be able to do it justice here, but it basically props up the one I've mentioned already.
Most of the folks that frequent this site are fully aware of these theories and have referenced them also. That is what has me puzzled. They know these things are more likely to occur with children, yet they so often turn their backs on them when it is brought up for discussion.
Well, I imagine I've ranted enough now, but I do appreciate that you came on to defend your daughter the way you have. I have three daughters myself. I have always believed them when they were afraid. I can't bear the thought of a parent turning their back on a frightened child. There is something very wrong about a person that doesn't understand that.
Thank you again for showing how a good mother reacts when their child has been disrespected.

Jav ❤
Indigo (263 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
I've called them watchers since I was about 3. They watch and you don't dare anger them. I still fear them in a respectful kind if way if that makes sense lol. They're there as a constant. I know they don't hurt me, but it feels like they're there to make sure I go back to my body? Feels that way and I feel that if I don't go back that I'll have to answer to them.
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
Oh, & her room had a nightlight, light from the hallway, & had light coming in from the street nearby. This was not a scared of the dark situation. She has never been afraid of the dark. She wouldn't go in her room during the day after that happened, either.
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-09)
[at] deviousangel- I'm her mom, & just want to clear a few things up. I'm using her ipad & saw this, so figured I could shed some light on the subject.

First of all, I had never seen my daughter so terrified, or really scared of anything, until that night. I remember her screaming & I went to her room. When she told me what happened of course I tried to figure out if it was something explainable, & of course I tried to convince her it was nothing. I asked her a million times if she was sure it wasn't somebody outside, (although her room was on the 2nd floor,) or a handful of other things I was hoping it would be instead. She was certain of what she saw & I let her sleep with us after that... She was scared to death! Closing her blinds was not going to change that. She had it happen again in her playroom, & never went back in there either... Even when I'd go in & try to get her to play she refused. As a child, I was tormented constantly by whatever was in our house. I was always scared to go to bed, & nothing my mom said or did made that go away, because she had no clue what I was going through. As little as my daughter was, & as scared as this made her, I was not about to force her to go to bed every night & just deal with it. We only lived in that house a short time before we had a chance to move to the house we're in now, so it's absurd to just assume she's slept in our bed until now. Besides, I don't know many teenagers who want to sleep with their parents. She wasn't scared at all to sleep in her room in the new house.

Oh, & we did have to give away our dog, Sage, because we weren't allowed to have a dog where we live now. It was a very sad experience, but didn't pertain to the story, which I'm assuming is why she added that little part at the end. Don't know why you feel the need to analyze every little detail of someone else's story anyways. I'm assuming you don't have kids. I know my daughter, & I know something scared her worse than anything that night. Maybe you would let your little girl lay there alone & terrified night after night, but you don't need to get on her case because I chose not to.
stephyw2001 (guest)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-08)
Devious - Hahah absolutely! Best time for walks in the woods too! I worked on Mackinac Island for a summer and I just adored walking the island at night. Especially through the woods. There were many many stories of the island being haunted. So I went! AT NIGHT when it was said to be the spookiest. I worked at a famous hotel there. Not sure I should say which famous "haunted" hotel it was, but I'll just say it was a Great Hotel. 😉 Before the tourists came up, we were given an open house to get to know the hotel. I must say, I never saw anything on that island even closely resembling a ghost. In the hotel, in the cemetaries, on the water, in the woods, on Fort Holmes. Nadda. It was a most disappointing summer. 😢
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-08)
Stephy - absolutely! I never said I did not like the night, I just am not too fond of being alone in the dark. 😉 My day vision is not that great, so it goes without saying my night vision is much worse. After all, night time is the best time for night swimming in the summer, bonfires on the beach and s'mores!
stephyw2001 (guest)
+2
11 years ago (2011-09-08)
There is a poem by Sarah William which a segment of I really love. In fact, I did an oil painting for the following:
"Though my soul may set in darkness,
It will rise in perfect light.
I have loved the stars too fondly
To be fearful of the night."

I have always always loved the night. I have never feared it. There is something very peaceful, tranquil and magical about night time. I love the stars, and I adore the moon. I love sleep, my bed, and dreaming. At night, I feel my senses are sharpened (I have great night vision). I don't know. I just love it! I think if more people focus on the good, rather than the bad or "scary", they'll find they like it too! ❤
zetafornow (4 stories) (447 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-08)
Indigo:

The only experience that I have with the "three" is one time when I saw three spirits together, two children and an old woman. I was asleep and woke up to see this so I'm not really sure if it was my imagination or really spirits. They disappeared as soon as I blinked. I like how you call them "watchers"...is that something that you came up with or have you heard that before. It seems like a good name for them as they seem to cause no harm but rather just kind of "peer in" from another space and time. Interesting. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Zeta
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-08)
Stephy - see? That is exactly the kind of thing I think parents SHOULD do. Teach your kids that there is nothing to be afraid of, and if you find something to be afraid of, at least pretend you are not afraid and if you have to, get angry with it. Take control of your space! It is YOURS, after all. I was afraid of the dark as a kid too. Heck, I still am! But I will not let that keep me out of my bedroom. The way I see it is if a spirit really wants me to be scared, it will scare me no matter where I am at. At least if I am going to be scared, I might as well be comfortable in my own room, lol.
stephyw2001 (guest)
+3
11 years ago (2011-09-08)
Haha yeah Devious. My boyfriend's kid used to cry at night. Then I went through her room showing her (all in the dark) that there was nothing to fear. Then I told her that I was the scariest thing to ever enter her bedroom and that no ghost will bother you while I'm around. At first she didn't believe me, but after a couple months of living with me, she realized I was telling the truth. She hasn't cried in probably a year now. 😆
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
+4
11 years ago (2011-09-08)
There are a few things that bother me about this story, this being the first:

"Sorry to bring you down, just trying to tell a good story without being boring."

Hmm. Usually when people tell the truth, they do not really care if it is boring or not. Truth is truth.

"I wasn't scared of anything when I was little, and that scared me so bad that I never went back in that bedroom, I just slept with my parents."

This also bothers me, because in the comments you said:

"I didn't go screaming into my parents room, I just started crying, and my mom came into my room and comforted me."

So you did not leave your room, your mom just comforted you. But in the story you said you never slept in your room again. What? Have you really slept with your parents every day since you were a child? If I were a parent, I would not allow that. At some point you have to teach your kids to stand up for themselves, because you will not always be around to protect them. Do not misunderstand, if my kid came to me and described what you said you saw, I would come and check things out and see if I saw anything. If it made my kid feel better, I would put up blinds or a curtain so they could not see out the window at night. I would also try sleeping in that room myself for a while just to make sure everything is okay, but I refuse to let anything kick me or anyone else I love out of their own bedroom.
Indigo (263 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-08)
Zeta, I tend to have three beings in many of my OBE's. I have always called them 'watchers' or 'chanters'. I'm terrified of them, but they seem to mean no harm. Do you have experiences with these things also?
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-08)
zapamay,
Glad to hear your mom got it under control and you are no longer having to deal with that any longer.
It's so true about items being the source of a lot of hauntings. It's almost the last thing you would consider when trying to discover the source. But those books seem like they would almost have to be the perfect candidates for what you experienced.

Glad to hear all is well, and thank you for sharing! 😊

Jav ❤
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-07)
Hi Javelina! Thank you!

My mom thinks she did find the source:
My mom had gotten these old books about witches and ghosts at a yard sale, because she was interested in that kind of stuff.

I think she went to our churches preacher and talked to him about it and mentioned the books, and he told her to get rid of them as soon as she could. She got rid of them and they did go away. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I think that's what happened. 😊 😊 😊
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-07)
zetafornow, the only person I think knows of this is only my mom, because she can relate to a lot of my experiences and I'm more close to her.

I didn't go screaming into my parents room, I just started crying, and my mom came into my room and comforted me. 😊
zapamay (3 stories) (40 posts)
+1
11 years ago (2011-09-07)
rjay99, I didn't ever see them again, I live in a new house thankfully, and I never have had anything super scary like that happen again. 😁
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-07)
zapamay,
Welcome to YGS!
That would be a frightening thing for anyone to have to see. Did you ever find the source of these entities? Or what they were doing there?
I am so sorry you had to give up your dog, I can't imagine ever having to go through that. Especially for a child.

Jav ❤

Thank you for sharing! 😊
zetafornow (4 stories) (447 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-06)
Hi zapa:

This is not the first time I have heard of three faces, or three entities coming together. Does anyone know anything of this? I think of three as the father, son and holy ghost, but I don't think this has anything to do with that. With that being said, you don't mention if you went running into your parent's room and were screaming and crying because I think that most five year olds would have. And that could be because you have experienced other things as well.

This one sounds creepy and I hope you never saw the three evil faces again. Thanks for sharing. Zeta.
rjay99 (1 stories) (8 posts)
 
11 years ago (2011-09-06)
Thats terrible about your dog, I'd be upset too in your situation! I can't wait to read more of your stories.
Did you ever see the faces again?

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