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Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-10-20)
What I am interested in is the EVPs from that night. What did you uncover, if anything?

Jav
bigsasquatch (1 stories) (29 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-20)
Javelina, I appreciate you clearing that up. I had no intentions on making it seem that wicca was the cause of all this. One of my best friends practiced wicca until she moved up here and shes a great person. I see what your saying now. But it happens I guess. Thats just one of the details of the story that couldn't be left out.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-20)
Bravery is not being fearless.
A brave man has faced fear and found a way to overcome it. Each time it is different, and each time it has to be overcome. You don't do it once and that's the end of fear. It's a new hill to climb each time it shows up.

Jav
bigsasquatch (1 stories) (29 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-10-20)
Zzsgranny, actually that site was just a test run, because in order to be able to post my group I had to have a website. So it is rather crude but once we get an acceptable one built anything and everything we have to show will be on it. But thanks for checking us out. As far as "banishments" go, (we like to call it crossing over), we have a group we are affiliated with in a nearby town that has a man that crosses spirits over on a regular basis. He's actually the head of the local group in that town. But he can only cross them over if the spirit allows him to do so, for some reason that's where he limits himself. In the case of forcing a spirit to cross over, we consult another group for that.
Javelina (4 stories) (3749 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-20)
bigsasquatch,
I enjoyed reading about your experience. I have no problem whatsoever in how you related this to us. I do, however, have a problem with the way your experience was received by some on this site.
You will find, if you stay around long enough, that I am no stranger to trouble here. And I can promise you right here that what I'm about to say is going to piss a whole bunch of people off. But that isn't going to stop me from saying it. And you better read quickly, or at least click on my comment once it gets voted down, because it will. I promise you that.
You broke one of the unwritten Cardinal rules of this site by even suggesting that Wicca may have had a hand in anything you experienced. If you notice the comments are targeting you in a way to discredit anything you had to say after that, it's just part of the deal. You will find you cannot say another word that won't be challenged.
I'm very sorry this has occurred. If your story had been posted without that statement included in the body of the story, it would be a completely different reaction from this bunch.
And folks, if you don't like what I've said, TOUGH!

Jav
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
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6 years ago (2011-10-20)
bigsasquatch: I took the opportunity to peruse your team's website... You may want to edit the web address you have listed, it has one too many http:// 😊...Anyway, very interesting... Are you guys planning to post any of your evidence and conclusions on the site?...

Also, what does your team do after a haunting is confirmed by you?...Do you offer assistance in cleansings, banishments or exorcisms?...Do you refer them to someone who can help them if that's what they want?
bigsasquatch (1 stories) (29 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-20)
DeviousAngel if you had read the other comments your would see an explanation for the questions in all your ramblings. The reason I respond the way I do to you is because you are ignorant. When you do research on a place you find good things and bad things. All the things about this house were bad, period. The reason I am so defensive towards you is it's because of people like you that make it hard for people to come forward with these stories. They may not want to be ridiculed for what they did wrong the FIRST time something like this happened. So maybe you should take that into consideration before posting random not so well thought out ramblings on an internet blog. Thanks.
bigsasquatch (1 stories) (29 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-10-20)
The people that normally live in the house working over in the middle east.
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
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6 years ago (2011-10-20)
bigsasquatch: I'm not going to lie and say I never feel fear... It is a natural reaction to paranormal phenomena...But, with practice, it can be somewhat controlled much like any other emotional response... Recognise it for what it is and go with it...

So no one actually lives in the house at the moment?...Is it too personal to ask why?...
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-20)
"Bud"? Wow, that is extremely professional and mature of you.

When I read this line: "As I am coming back from the kitchen to grab the recorder..." I wrongfully assumed that you had actually grabbed the recorder. My bad. I thought that being a paranormal investigator you would be used to residual noises, footsteps, bangs, etc. In the simplest, most blunt terms, you should not be a marine biologist if you are afraid of the water. Is it something that humans in general have a right to be afraid of? Absolutely. But the ones that are should probably not choose something they fear as a career path unless they are certain they can conquer their fear of it before attempting to conduct any scientific investigations. Yes, I have had experience with the paranormal and I can tell you first-hand that there are some seriously scary, effed up shennanigans at play. But I am not about to go chase ghosts as a calling, either. Yes, it is healthy to show caution with something that can harm you but if you bail at the first sign of danger, maybe paranormal investigation is not for you.

That is why I have such a hard time with some of these ghost hunting shows on TV. They are either over-dramatized for entertainment or some of those people seriously should not be conducting investigations. To quote Dune, "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration..."

There is a big difference between caution and fear. Caution enables you to proceed with mindfulness of danger; fear leads to panic and clouded judgment, which contaminates experience and evidence gathered for scientific investigations.

Also, Granny, well-said...you pretty much summarized everything else I had to say about that.
bigsasquatch (1 stories) (29 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-10-20)
Well for them they don't really care either way. No one live in the house and it's right across the street from where they live now. Basically, it's used as a training house for new members, because it's private property so no one will be there with out us knowing and it's a somewhat controlled enviroment.
bigsasquatch (1 stories) (29 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-10-20)
And you have to remember this was at the beginning of our paranormal career. The only other place we had been was a tour of part of Waverly. Nothing special. We didn't know half of the stuff that we do now and frankly the new people we have go with us I prefer for them to be afaid. If your afraid of something then you will have repesct for what ever it may be and not push yours of its boundries to an extent that someone does get hurt. Also fact of how bad your experience is has little play in this. If your going to get scared your going to get scared and there no scale measurement for that. Or that's the way I see it. Everyone is going to react differently in certain situatiions.
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
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6 years ago (2011-10-20)
bigsasquatch: I interpret your friend's statement as something most Wiccans would say... This woman was praticing something other than Wicca and probably couldn't, or was unwilling, to see the distinction... Wicca is a peaceful, non-selfserving religion...

What do your friends want to happen with the situation?...Do they just want to know who it is, or are they wanting to possibly banish the entity?...
bigsasquatch (1 stories) (29 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-10-20)
We know for a fact she was wiccan to what extent I don't know. Thats not something that I deal with on a day to day basis. However one of our friends used to practice wicca, she is now gotten away from that, but the majority of the activity happens when she is in the house. She has looked at some pictures of the former owner and some of the things she has done and all she can say is "that's not how I was taught to practice..." So I'm not sure what that means and she wouldn't elaborate so you just gotta take it as you see it I guess.
believer21 (3 stories) (56 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-20)
I have to agree with DA, Granny, Fanny and Nysa; many people on this site deal with far worst encounters in their every day life, my self included. If your "team" was doing an invesgation at my house, and I saw you turn tail and run I would lose all respect.
A better way to handle this would have been to grab the recorder and try and catch some evidence. I understand you were alone, but a lot of times being alone makes a spirit more likely to come forward. You know those footsteps could be seen as first contact.

With that said, I do look forward to more encounters from you. ❀
DARKNESS (3 stories) (2022 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-20)
Exactly what I was just thinking Granny, if you choose to be a Paranormal Investigator or a Ghost Hunter, you have to expect that you will witness something at some stage, and no doubt it is going to cause some fear, that is a given in this field. 😐
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
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6 years ago (2011-10-19)
bigsasquatch: First of all thank you for coming back... The assumption that you'd left is evident by the discription of "guest" following your first two comments... That only happens when someone deletes their account... So what happened was, after you deleted your account, you made the choice to rejoin today, which is evident by the "Date Registered" in your profile... No biggy...

All in all, I think this is a pretty interesting account... But I have to ask, why do you think the Mom was a practicing Wiccan, or did she just say she was?...Some people get confused between witchcraft and the Wiccan religion... Not saying you are, but perhaps "Mom" was... If she was indeed doing all the stuff she says, I'm not at all surprised that something attached to her or her home... But as mentioned earlier, it could be her...

This is where the difference between "ghost hunter" and "paranormal investigator" comes into play...Me, I like ghost hunting... I already know they exist, and I don't feel the need to prove it to the world LOL... A paranormal investigator will research, and draw conclusions based on their evidence so they can then decide what to do about the situation and the methods needed to produce the desired result... I like capturing and listening to EVP's, and taking and looking at pics of ghosts because I think it's cool...

The point of all that dribble is this: decide what you want to do... If your intentions are to assist people with their ghosties, learn the trade and gather your equipment... If you're like me, and just like the thrill of being in the presense of spirits with the possibility of getting some good stuff to show your friends, stop refering to yourself as an investigator... Either way, you need to grow some kahunasπŸ˜†πŸ˜†...You have to get a grip on your fear, because if by chance, you come across a not so nice entity who feeds on fear, you're in for a world of hurt... Learn ways to protect yourself, either through your religion or by setting a protective shield around yourself...

I've rambled long enough for now... 😊
bigsasquatch (1 stories) (29 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-10-19)
Also if you read I didn't have the recorder in hand. It was on the table across the room.
bigsasquatch (1 stories) (29 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-19)
Sounds good to me bud. Obviously you have never done anything close to paranormal research seeing as how your not afraid of anything, or how when your startled and not sure what is happening that fight or flight takes over and you obviously can't fight it so the choice is plain cut.
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-19)
So let me get this straight, you had the recorder in hand, preparing to do an EVP session, which usually is used to capture not only spiritual voices but spiritual noises as well. You are in the process of hearing footsteps. But instead of recording, you "turned tail and ran". How again are you a professional paranormal investigator? I am confused. I think I am going to leave this thread alone going forward, because there is just too much contradiction and self-defensive tension here for me to deal with.
bigsasquatch (1 stories) (29 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-10-19)
That's just the thing. As for this story there is no evidence to support anything and I don't care to admit that. Just my first hand account and the history of the place and family is all the possible information that can be provided.
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-10-19)
bigsasquatch, I apologize if I took something that you said out of context but you have made no attempts to explain where myself and others have asked questions. It is your job as an amateur member (and I am making an assumption here that you have no formal education in these matters) of the scientific community to present your evidence so that others can understand. Otherwise, why post a story like this? If you decided that you found a mathematical algorithm explaining the existence of ghosts or aliens or whatever, would you present it to other scientists studying the paranormal and expect that they will not challenge it or be critical of it? If so, you have some serious toughening up to do before you will get far. Everyone has the right to ask questions that may come across to you as critical... In short, just man up and deal with it. I hope you will answer some of the other questions posed rather than ignoring the people who say 'boo'.
bigsasquatch (1 stories) (29 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-19)
As for cosmogal926 we have done the research, considering we knew her personally and everything she did was done openly, there is no need for the details out of respect for those already passed. This was simply an account of one night. Nothing more nothing less. Questions are fine, but we know what we do right a what we do wrong and for someone to be critcal of something we already know is not something I posted for.
bigsasquatch (1 stories) (29 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-19)
Actually I'm still here I've just been listening. Why you can't reach my profile I'm not sure of but I assure you I have not turned tail and ran.
Nysa (4 stories) (685 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-18)
Yes, though I am somewhat offended by the suggestion that practicing modern American witchcraft causes hauntings & that people involved in such activities have no regard for consequences, I tried to give him a chance to elaborate in case he knew something about this specific woman that he had just expressed poorly. I also know that the media effects people's opinions & certain shows state explicitly that those practices can lead to hauntings (especially "demonic" activity) so I did suspect that could have been at play. But I intentionally worded things to make it clear that was just a concern not an accusation. I thought adding questions of general interest for him to elaborate on would help convey that. I am not sure we will miss his presence, but it is a shame some people develop that attitude.
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
 
6 years ago (2011-10-18)
I have to say, I'm really disappointed this poster took offense to the questions... Being an amateur myself, I would welcome suggestions and constructive criticism...

I had some good questions, but I'm not going to waste my time...
cosmogal926 (9 stories) (1223 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-18)
When I clicked on this story I noticed that the author's profile was not available, now I know why.
I am in full agreement with Nysa, Fanny, and Devious here. There is a certain level of tolerance that all ghost hunters should have. Dealing with the public they run into people who have questions, are skeptic, or just plain think that ghost hunting is a waste of time. You need to be able to keep your cool and accept that you will run into these people a lot. If you want to be a respectable professional group then you need to work on being a little more patient. Also it wouldn't hurt to do research on Wicca or any other possible source of a haunting before making statements that you can't back up.

Seeing how fast you deleted your account just after a few comments from the living leaves little faith in how long you will last receiving messages from the dead.
lsandhu (2 stories) (360 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-18)
I think maybe bigsasquatch just didn't give us all the backstory and history to go along with the statements people are taking issue with, and frankly, I think that's a good thing, because I don't like over-long posts. It sounds like he knew his friend's mom and perhaps he has reasons for what he wrote about her religious practices that simply aren't stated. The point is, she may well have been engaged in activities that would tend to attract or exacerbate paranormal activity. Sounds like you're still learning, bigsasquatch, and that you have a healthy respect for the paranormal, which is probably good. I look forward to more posts from you.
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-18)
I think Nysa had some very legitimate points. You cannot come on here and throw out fancy terms like "EMF" and "residual" and expect everyone to believe that you are an expert. It is based solely on experience and for a paranormal investigator, I have to say, you sound very easily agitated by a few noises.

I am not really sure if you intended it but your comment about the co-founder's mother sounds rather ignorant.

"She would hold s
Fanny (2 stories) (105 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-18)
Bigsasquatch, you're right there is a difference, but Nysa was simply asking you a few questions about your experience. This is how it works around here. Post a story and people ask qeustions and give advice. If your not up for discussing your experiance then don't post stories... Plan and simple.
bigsasquatch (guest)
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6 years ago (2011-10-18)
Criticism and discussion are two completely different things.
Nysa (4 stories) (685 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-18)
First of all anyone can start a ghost hunting group so don't start throwing around that it makes you an expert. I said one of your comments sounded like a theory on a tv show I did not say your experience was the result of watching too much tv. And I asked about the doll & your impression about a male entity because I was hoping you would elaborate. So don't get your panties in a bunch. If you are going to post things for discussion you are going to get questions.
bigsasquatch (guest)
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6 years ago (2011-10-18)
About the doll. When we did our investigations prior to this happening the doll was a focal point for things happening in the house. Our K-2 Meters and EMF detectors topped the scale when the doll was spoken about and only when it was spoken about. And I love how people automatically jump to the "you watch too much TV" conclusion when they hear something a little off kilter. First of all I am a co-founder of a group of paranormal investigators that are very professional and have been granted access to some otherwise closed off places. This is just an account of one incident that happened to me personally while not on an investigation. Take it as you may but I know what I'm talking about when I post an account. Anyone who has credible experience with the paranormal knows what to make of the feelings they have during an experience and how to embrace them. That's why I feel it wasn't her in the house.
Nysa (4 stories) (685 posts)
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6 years ago (2011-10-18)
I had heard of Waverly Hills & how haunted it was supposed to be, but I just read the history of the place in a new book. Fascinating.

I am wondering what you mean when you said she did "different rituals in the house with no regard to what could happen"? I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I suspect you watched that Discovery Channel show (I think it was called A Haunting) too often.

Just a few other questions. Why do you feel she is attached to the doll & not the house or the people in it? Also, how did the footsteps sound male? They seemed too heavy for a female? Was the woman in question a small woman? Or did you more feel it was a male presence?

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