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We live in a group of flats. What the Americans call "projects" specifically build for mixed race south africans. A group of guys went out to drink one night and because I had converted to full Evangelical Christianity two years before. Basically I was off the party scene. I was concerned for two guys Cliffy and Terrence as these two hated each other with passion.

Of the five guys who went that night, four returned. Terrence was murdered by the four. The story goes that after beating him they ran him over. Cliffy accused Terrence of screwing his wife it was true and we knew it. Two weeks later after the funeral Terrence's sisters came to me with a bizzare story.

Every evening at six the family would see terrence sitting at dinner speechless for about five minutes then he would disappear. This is Africa where the dead are heavely venerated.

My faith taught me that the dead have no part with the living. I went to see this and lo and behold he did not just appear but wamked in bloody dirty and with a terrible smell. I gave my bible but he threw it angrily accross the room. This was a Catholic home and I never believed that Catholics were Christians simply because they honored the dead and prayed to Mary in intercession for us. This sisters began praying hail mary and our father. He laughed at them more like a gaffaw. In the name of Yeshua Messiah born of a virgin who died to atone for the sins of men I vanquish you!. He dissapeared.

I annointed every entrance way, doors windows, etc with oil. He never returned save to the other four, but in dreams.

Within a year they were all dead by various means (all were brutal). Clifford shot himself. Nearly ten years later I have been asked to deal with all kinds of spirits. In the case of Terrence the anger from his death created a familiar - this is a demon that mimicks the living and is innitiated by higher demons to return to the family for gifts and offerings. Terrences familiar was not your normal ancestral demon, many who mask behind human form.

I have done far too much work in this area to be a sceptic. My measuring stick is historical literarure. Has this happened within the history of human existence. Are there any others who have experienced the same. I find that an experience is much more potent than an experiment. It is easier to make coffee than chase a demon. But this always depends on the host. Spirits of the dead can be very very difficult to deal with until you get the knack of it. I know some will give me lots of beef about this story. I have been critisized by the best who are you, bring it on.

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lexhia (2 stories) (12 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-15)
Dear endymion., you seem surrounded by such strong negativity., I hope it doesn't smother you.

There is hope and good people in the world., don't lose your faith in humanity. Pray to the lord that your gift was indeed intended to aid people., and not sent by the great deceiver.

My best wishes for you.
I'll be looking forward to your next post.
Lexie.
Shlain (13 stories) (246 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-08)
Maybe is should rephrase that. I'm sure spirits do figure out they're dead since things are a little different. I suppose it is like some comments and that DENIAL is the factor that comes in. I do still believe that there are reasons for spirits staying behind. Not all of them movie on.

After my father passed away I never dreamed of him. My mother had dreams where he visited her, but he always said he can't stay long and that she need not worry, because he's never hungry and never in pain. I heard him once when I was going through a tough time and I knew he was trying to let me know things will be ok...
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
+1
6 years ago (2011-07-07)
BJJ--I think you nit the nail on the head. Attachment to loved ones, material possessions, physical sensations and the human condition in general... I think those are the things that bind spirits to our world after they have passed. Heck, people who are still alive are capable of insane amounts of denial, who's to say they cannot do it in death? Just because the brain is no longer functioning does not mean that awareness is gone.
BadJuuJuu (guest)
+1
6 years ago (2011-07-07)
I think it's not so much that the person doesn't realize they are dead, but more that the person is in denial. Living people go into denial, so I think it's possible dead people can too. And a person in denial, regardless of their, uh, life status, refuses to see the logic of their circumstances. Just a thought. 😳
bacchaegrl (506 posts)
+2
6 years ago (2011-07-07)
I always wondered that too, why ghosts wouldn't know that they are dead. It has to be a rather dramatic physiolocial change. Theorists and psychics say that the surprise of their death puts the spirit in so much shock that they don't realize they've passed on. But I don't understand how that could be, when you have to use all your energy to just knock on a wall or something. Guess I won't know unless I die a unanticipated, quick death.
redphx (4 stories) (827 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-07)
Endymion77

You seem to very self righteous and that doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing. You have the confidence that most people do not have. I feel from you though is that you are being very close minded and that is not healthy. I respect your views and I would never ask you to change them. But your tone seems judgmental and your religion can blind you if you are not careful. Not everything is so black and white and not every angel will help you as not every demon will harm you. You forget that EVERY single entity has free will. That is not just reserved for humans. So I know that you are trying to do good but be careful of your opinions because sometimes they will lead you astray. You still live in a place that persecutes people for using magic. We are not in the inquisition anymore and I hope that you don't feel the same way as your neighbors when it deals with this kind of stuff.

Interesting. You know what you know. I am the knowing. I've done this dance far more times than I can count. Every single one of us has a purpose to be here and we are all here to learn and grow spiritually. Why am I telling you this? I don't know. Maybe because I think that you have potential to be great. If you take a look outside the Christianity and accept ALL religions for all their good and bad you will be much better. I don't expect you to do this of course. I know for a fact that you will not. But I said only some of things that you should know. Since you aren't open I won't share anymore. You won't like me saying these things, but I don't really care. You have a great ability and your faith keeps you strong and moving forward. Your purpose is pure but your facts are just a little off.
redphx (4 stories) (827 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-07)
i really don't think that a ghost doesn't know they are dead. I think they know it. How could they not? What I think is that they either get lost on their way to the next passage or they don't want to let go. Even children ghosts would have reason to not to want to leave. As some are waiting for their parnets or whatever. But I am pretty sure they all know they are dead. I mean suddenly no one can see them. They are invisible and can walk through walls.
Shlain (13 stories) (246 posts)
+1
6 years ago (2011-07-07)
I don't believe that all spirits move on so easily. Sometimes the death happens so quick they don't realize their dead or they cannot part with their physical belongings...

Endymion, you don't have to be defensive. Everyone - well almost everyone - here have had spiritual experiences so we won't judge you. You have mentioned a lot of points in your comments that have been considered by parapsychologists before. But I do hope you don't just vanquish a spirit without being sure its bad... Right?

We are all greatful that you shared your story.
Shlain (13 stories) (246 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-07)
I really hope that wasn't an insult. I'm choosing to take that as you just not wanting to be bothered with nonsense. Don't worry I won't ask you to vanquish or subdue any spirits or demons.

Look forward to reading more stories if have you decide to post them.

Did invite you on msn.
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-07)
W...what? I am not really sure what just happened here... Can someone explain this to me? I am so incredibly confused.
rookdygin (24 stories) (4351 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-07)
Endymion,

Please feel free to e-mail me. My e-mail address is on my profile and so are some details about me.

Respectfully,

Rook
Endymion77 (1 stories) (6 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-07)
The person from cape town can contact me on endymion [at] live.com. Iam on the east coast. I am not very good at dealing with nit pickers or people trying to get the fly poo out of the pepper. Perhaps I should say a little of how I work. In the spirit world of light and darkness there is rank and file. I know who Iam and what I have been innitiated into. "To bind and subdue all rebellious spirits" Devious angel -you are correct:What I do not know I do not pretend to know, What I know I know. And you have very interesting energy around you, I suspect you have seen into the spirit world on more than one occation. Does anyone on this site know what spiritual infusion is? You can wave crosses, at ghosts all night, sprinkel water, pour oil - and exhaust the salt jar, but until those ele
Elements are infused with power they are just a joke to the spirit. Who does the infusing is also critical. Eg I once had to vanquish a spirit of an old man who had been causing serious road accidents. He would appear in people cars or float past as a dim light at night. The town cowncil called a meeting of religious leaders to do what is known in South Africa as a ceremonial cleansing. But most of those doing it were spiritualy unclean. Most were ordained by men but not God. When the problem persisted a friend in the council called me in. I went to the road where all the drama unfolded. I knew the mans name and year he had died without a brief. I picked to twigs annointed them with oil as oil is a counterpart of? (wont tell) I then infused the twigs and buried them on either end of the road. There was also a portal in the road (locating these is very important as this is the doorway between the two worlds of the living and dead portals also vary in size according to the number of hauntings. I prayed a particular and specific prayer the portal was shut. Five years later and that part of town is no longer regarded as a high accident zone. The spirits are subject to us. You know who annoys me is some people in the dark arts who solicit these same spirits to harm people. Later there was a nasty showdown with a local warlock who had trapped this old mans spirit on that road for harm. People do that, I I downt like getting into spiritual war with satanists it gets nasty at times. I made a personal covenant with God- so no more fights with witches. I also work with angels in some cases. Angels are fire ministers. They work on the offensive and defensive. Some ghosts and demons are nasty you can get hurt bad. I once had a witch go crazy on me. They did not believe I was christian. I the dark world christians are supposed to be frightened losers. Rook I prefere sendind you e- mails. So I work differently according to the need in each case. I do not like to flaunt the born again christian thing. Names and words. The name Jesus Christ vibrates with powerfull energy but again unless the name is infused with spiritual power it means nothing. No man can say that Jesus is lord but by the Holy spirit declared Paul. I heard so spirits fear the name of micheal and mary. The atoning blood of Christ makes name like lazer fire when invoked with spiritual power. So you can say in the name of Jesus until you blue in the face. To all you ghost busters enjoy.
DeviousAngel (11 stories) (1910 posts)
+2
6 years ago (2011-07-06)
I have to echo BJJ's sentiments here. Most of what you have said in your comments and much of what you have said in your story is rather scattered. It seems as though you are overly convicted in certain areas where you feel it will be most confrontational to the members here, so I think I shall stay out. Good luck on your future endeavors.
Shlain (13 stories) (246 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-06)
Hello Endymion! Ugh, you have no idea how one part of a comment you made hits home. I would like to communicate with you more about something that happened to me. Glad to see there's someone in SA that's serious about this stuff. I've been struggling for years to get legit help and guidance. Could we get in touch?

I'm from Cape Town by the way;-)

Shlain
rookdygin (24 stories) (4351 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-06)
Endymion,

Many thanks, I look forward to reading your other experiences and if I am able to offer any advice that I can I will. We come from very different backgrounds but that need not stand in the way of aid or advice that may be given. So again I thank you and I will help, if I can.

Respectfully,

Rook
Endymion77 (1 stories) (6 posts)
+1
6 years ago (2011-07-06)
I supose we can go on and on. I will put up two more one is very personal. Rook I like your spirit and appreciate your approach. Um not big on words I try to read into the spirit behind the words so a person can be rough but mean well while another can be sweet but fascecious. On return from swaziland tomorrow late I will post a very personal story but do so only for advice purposes. Thank you all for comments, the individual who was annoyed at the violence. Wow, you should come live here some time- South africa is a nice country but I suspect that because we kill soooo many animals for ritual- this has spilled over to not respecting human life. Cultures who kill animals also seem to kill humans without concience (easily) than cultures who are sensitive to animal life. When it comes to my personal beliefs iam a mystical christian not mythical - I subscribe to a more spontaneous form of dealing with stuff that religious tradition - I do apologise to the roman catholics. For me its more what works within a short time. Assess, strategise then deal with it. Did you know if those guys who murdered terrence only took responsibility and ask forgiveness they would not be dead. Now concerning a building or physical location being haunted that's another story- it is also very easy to cleanse those places or else shiat repeats itself there- speak later.
redphx (4 stories) (827 posts)
+3
6 years ago (2011-07-05)
It is very interesting how each culture has different reasons why ghosts appear. Religion happens to be at the heart of it. Catholics are considered Christian and they do not pray to Mary, that is a sin. They ask Mary to pray for the sinners. She is not to be prayed to. I went to Catholic high school so I know my Catholicism.
moravian (1 stories) (171 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-05)
i really enjoyed reading your story. In my opinion, you are correct.
Rozalin (15 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-05)
Hi, thank you for your post.

This story annoyed me as well as making me interested in reading more.
The guy that was killed, just for sleeping with another Man's wife/partner, I think that's a bit over the top, personally. People that resort to violence bother me.

Though of all places for him to come back, at home? That seems strange. I heard people that are murdered can only Haunt the place/people that were at the scene of the murder, so automatically it's a bit strange unless I misunderstood.

The Demon thing makes much more sense for that much, anyway.

I want to know more, and hear more of your other experiances too.

Take care,

Lea.
rookdygin (24 stories) (4351 posts)
+1
6 years ago (2011-07-05)
Endymion,

Thank you for answering my questions. It helps to bring some understanding to what was happening around you at the time of this experience.

It also helps that you have explained how the 'people' where you live 'view' the afterlife and or ritual spell casting and communication or contact with spirit's.

It would be very interesting to read some of your other experiences... ("I have dealt with dead entities who raped women an men at night the show goes on we work and help where we can.") Please relate them to us.

Now you have also mentioned many things concerning Heavenly Father and His Son... Don't mind that at all...everyone's experiences are 'seen' through the 'glasses' of what they know/have been taught and of course their Faith. Here on the site we understand that peoples experiences and advice will be from their particular 'background' all we really ask is that they be presented in an objective manner and not a 'this is the only way' or... 'It is a _______ because my 'insert religion of choice' says so.'

I'm not sure why you feel angry, I'm sorry that you do. Please share with us your other experiences, perhaps you may even find someone to 'share the burden' with so your load is lighter.

Respectfully,

Rook
Endymion77 (1 stories) (6 posts)
-1
6 years ago (2011-07-05)
I will not post any other accounts but this one only. I have had too many accounts. The purpose for the haunting varies. The method of vanquishing is pre- determined by many factors. The ghosts themselves are ranked. Eg unresolved serious issues may cause a return. Excessive grief may sanction a return but this must be checked out. God may allow a loved one to return for comfort but there are serious points to check before credibility can be sanctioned. Places of ritual usualy aways have activity. A girl once married a dead guy in hope of getting his money. Some corrupt officials cleaned up the paper work. She fell for the bait hoping to cash in on millions- she did get the money and lots of spiritual shiat like seeing the guy. Stuff moving around the house dreaming of sex sex with the guy. If ever you visit sterkfontein that famous place in south africa where pre- historic humans were found. There is a mental institution there - where she is. My point is any number of factors attracts these phenomena. When I was little the dead could be channeled through me I found myself telling people details about their loved ones. This scared the shiat from me so after much fasting and prayer I litteraly begged God to remove this. I visited a powerfull spiritual man in uganda who told me I had a powerfull spirit guide that I was channelling. This guy got rid of this thing and boy was I happy. Then I had discernment I could walk into a place a discern the energy and its source I liked that.
Endymion77 (1 stories) (6 posts)
-1
6 years ago (2011-07-05)
Of those who feel insulted I deeply apologise. To rookdygin I honor your questions. The last bit was not intended for fighting purposes. Terrence was deeply tortured, as a soul and he had lived with his sisters prior to death. As buddies there was allways this guy thing of don't tell. And he was violent none of the guys liked him. A murder case was pending and it has been said that his sisters with their sis in law had set up his murder. Since that time the case is cold. Yes iam a little unauthodox. Every spirit must be tested, I have seen demons who acted like Jesus Christ - one can discern the spirit. There was something hellish about tereences presence. The spirit of the creature plus if you are gifted you can discern its energy. Someone asked why I did not send him to the light. There are many lights out there and not all of them are good. Paul said satan can transform himself into an angel of light and christ implied that the light in you can be darkness. Now then who killed the four guys. I do not believe that it was terrence but the residue of his anger had formulated itself into a vengefull entity using his form. I believe that the arrea in the spirit world where this transformation takes place is real. As for his sisters they all turned closer to God. His wife died in a car accident years later. Are ghosts real yes, but even if christ visited me by the gift of spiritual perception ill have to know that its not an imposter then he will have to answere some serious questions. Some people today believe that Terrences father use some spell to bring him back to pay revenge. In africa if you are accused of dark arts they burn you alive. I had to make a public announcement at his unveiling to avoid revenge killings from the mens families. Yes I have dealt with dead entities who raped women an men at night the show goes on we work and help where we can. This never stops yes iam angry I guess and exhausted, but again apologise to the sensitive. To do this you need a particular lifestyle. Everything seems controversial when you have not had the experience. With love to all.
Kamala (5 posts)
 
6 years ago (2011-07-05)
Ghost of all religion exists, just saying. Insulting people of different belief system is pure evil!
rookdygin (24 stories) (4351 posts)
+8
6 years ago (2011-07-05)
Endymion,

I have a couple of questions I'd like to ask concerning this experience...

1) Who was the Spirit of Terrence visiting? His Family... Or the 4 men who 'murdered' him? (I ask because you say his sisters came to you and you witnessed him yourself... Then jump to saying 'all for died horrible deaths'...

2) Why would Terrence or his 'familiar' as you explain it, visit his Family rather than haunt those who murdered him... For that matter did anyone call the Police to report the murder?

3) You say... Let me quote me so there is no misunderstanding... "Of the five guys who went that night, four returned. Terrence was murdered by the four. The story goes that after beating him they ran him over. Cliffy accused Terrence of screwing his wife it was true and we knew it."

4) After you 'vanquished' Terrence you say... "I annointed every entrance way, doors windows, etc with oil..." Then go on to say..."He never returned save to the other four, but in dreams."

So, for understanding... He never appeared to the Family again, save in dreams... But he did appear to the 4 who 'killed' him? Is that correct?

There is a theory that when a 'loved one' passes on... If you see them in a dream they have 'crossed over' and may choose to return to comfort or visit. The other side of that coin is, no dreams of them, then perhaps they have remained as spirits in the physical realm... Just a theory...

Thank you in advance if you choose to answer my questions...

Respectfully,

Rook
GeminiGoat (22 posts)
-1
6 years ago (2011-07-04)
No zzsgranny, it is God's will that people be tortured until they are converted. Ha, that was an inappropriate joke. Seriously though, I see what you're saying. I should just stick to reading the stories because I don't know how to comment without preaching. Ha ha ha, this happens every time, I must sound like an arrogant a**hole. No offense taken from you zzsgranny.
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
+2
6 years ago (2011-07-04)
GeminiGoat: I truely have faith in my beliefs, but I'm not going to taunt anyone with it... If you or anyone else disagrees, you have the right to do so, as I have the right to my beliefs...

I also have the sense to know when I'm being baited into an arguement, for arguements sake...I'm not taking the bait... Believe what you will, but have the decency to allow others their beliefs...THAT'S the teaching of the Gospel... And if you get any other interpretation from the Bible, it's your interpretation... 😊
GeminiGoat (22 posts)
-3
6 years ago (2011-07-04)
Yes Endymion77, I also believe that once people die they cannot stay on earth or interact with the living. I believe when people die they go to their final eternal life and leave everything on earth behind. You're right, this is another spirit imatating the man who has died. And I know why you made that last statment, because you are convinced of your beliefs and you stand by them very strongly. Pray to God to send those spirits away. Keep the Faith.
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3312 posts) mod
+2
6 years ago (2011-07-04)
robertr: Either spelling is acceptable:

Http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sceptical

It just depends on where in the world you are! 😆
robertar (223 posts)
-3
6 years ago (2011-07-04)
I think you mean skeptic, not sceptic 😁

Other than that I have no criticism. 😉

I would like to hear more of your stories.
BadJuuJuu (guest)
+4
6 years ago (2011-07-04)
I truly don't know what to think of your story. But your last line indicates you are just looking for a fight. I'm sure someone here will give it to you.
Happy hauntings.

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