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Abby (710 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-14)
11-14-2007

Dear "Annie" and All,

You know the meaning of the word "Untoward".

But, you do not know the meaning of the word, "Fini".

The meaning of the word in the context in which I wrote it means, "Finished". I am finished with this site and these sites. I am in the process of requesting that Martin please honor my final request and clear my presence and all posts on all of his sites.

Why I am "Finished" or it is my "Fini": I cannot stay where Truth is not honored and many lies are allowed.

Who am I: A human hypocrite, as I have stated before and in my past profiles and comments.

What was all of this about: A confirmation to see if I should completely remove myself from these sites, because of the many sensed untruths and lies.

What I have told you all: I can sense another's soul's imprint or resume, past, present and future.

Was I correct or not correct about whitebuffalo: I left you clues, but I deliberately did not give you the answer. As I have always said, it is up to each and everyone of you to decide for yourself by your own choice, as well as to take all, some or nothing of what I say.

whitebuffalo, true or false: Only white buffalo and I know the truth, and it is not my place to speak for whitebuffalo. This is whitebuffalo's responsibility.

What did this prove: That this was not completely and all about whitebuffalo. It was about the "whole" and it was about our free will to "choose" how we will respond and react or not react in any given daily life situation.

What did this provide: A lesson and a mirror to show how each one of you responded, reacted or not reacted, myself included.

Was it selfish, right or ethical: That depends upon your perception about your choice to react or not react. You decide. I have decided and have chosen to to leave all of these sites and all of you.

I "know" that there are those of you who like me and many of you who dislike me, there may be even more of you who will dislike me even more for what I have done, but one thing is for certain and that I "know", I have definitely made an impression and imprint upon each and everyone of you that you will not forget, and that my dear ones was my intention. Learn from it, the good, the bad and the ugly.

Thank you for showing me your souls and sharing with me who you truly are. Thank you for teaching me and allowing me to teach you, even when you believe that was not my intention.

I am as ever, but a human hypocrite. Good-Bye.

Blessings, Abby--Athena (I was given the name Athena in a dream.)
whitebuffalo (guest)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-13)
😊 No offense was taken Bellissima. The first reading of your comment gave me the same message as your explanation, but thank you for clarifying anyway. 😊 I was very sensitive as a child, but somehow learned how to stop it. Mostly due to my family's perspective on the spirit world. It seems as if both of my children were born with the ability, and I chose NOT to allow them to think it is wrong by discouraging them in any way. It just seems to baffle me now, and cause me to have a myriad of questions.
Bellissima (12 stories) (792 posts)
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14 years ago (2007-11-12)
Hi whitebuffalo. In my previous comment I said 'some people are just more open to this type of thing and if you are, then I think it must effect your family too' When I re-read it I realized you may have thought I meant open to ridicule or being targeted, that's definitely not what I intended. What I meant was that you are more sensitive to spirits and they seem attracted to you, therefore it makes sense that spirits would be around your family as well. I hope that's better! I think you are very credible and I really do enjoy your stories. 😊
whitebuffalo (guest)
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14 years ago (2007-11-12)
"FINI" is the end. Thank you Abby. I take your compliments and apology and hold them in my heart. In my opinion there is no reason for apologies. In your comments you said it correctly when you asked isn't this what we are supposed to be doing? Aren't we supposed to be sorting out fact from fiction? Sorry, I paraphrased there, but it is the same. I hold no ill feelings towards you, nor do I hold a grudge. You did and said what you believed to be true and I could ask for nothing less from a confidant. In truth, I believe strongly that the truth will set you free (As I have been fond of saying) as it has for both of us. Please think no further on this as it is no longer any concern of mine. I only hope that this is not truly a farewell for us as you are an excellent researcher and someone I feel would be an asset to my corner. Again, thank you.
Annie (202 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-12)
Again, I don't know WHAT to make of this. Sorry if I seem to be a bit addled but, Abby, what does FINI mean? Thanks for your response.
Abby (710 posts)
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14 years ago (2007-11-12)
Dear whitebuffalo 11-12-2007,

Thank you, I accept your answer. I apologize for doubting you, as I am sure now that you are honest as the day is long. I have made a mistake and hope you will forgive me as I now know I am not a sensitive. I am sure this has been quite an " UNTOWARD" experience for you. By the way, you must be brilliant in the use of the English language, as there are very few people these days who use the word "untoward", in fact only one other person of all the people on this site used this word during my research that was instigated my sensitivity. A person by the name of Justin. The same name of one of your son's unseen friends. And a person surely learns, who their FRIENDS are when they are telling the TRUTH.

Farewell and FINI, Abby
Bellissima (12 stories) (792 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-12)
whitebuffalo, please keep submitting your stories, they are fabulous and I really enjoy reading them. You don't need 'my space' to prove anything to me. I say thank you for sharing your stories and keep them coming. Some people are just more open to this type of thing and if you are, then I think it must effect your family too.
haleybug (10 stories) (89 posts)
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14 years ago (2007-11-12)
idon't think any one should have to prove them selves either, but someone is so intent on hurting some one else is why I said that. 😊
Forsaken_One (2 posts)
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14 years ago (2007-11-12)
Wow... I don't see what The huge deal is with the people bashing WhiteBuffalo. None of us were there with you when those things happen, and to be honest stranger things do go on. I believe you, as I have had weird experiences like this one, and regardless This is truly YOURS. As my sister Haleybug has stated and I stand by this also, Who are we to judge? Kepp your chin up. Some people have nothing better to do than bash other people... Its a way of life for them.

Take Care
Forsaken_One
mustang (5 stories) (749 posts)
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14 years ago (2007-11-12)
Dear WhiteBuffalo~
In my opinion, I think that you should NOT have to put up your pictures on MY SPACE just to prove who you are. For that matter, you could put someone elses picture up anyway. I believe you and that's all that matters, so there! 😜 Seriously, this has gone on too long and I think it should stop and YOU need to submit more stories! 😊If you have any?! If not we can still talk through comments. Hope to talk to you soon. Love ya~Shelby ❀
haleybug (10 stories) (89 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-12)
please don't think that I don't believe you, I do. And everyone else seems to believe you only one person that I can see, as nobody really knows who anybody is we SHOULD NOT BE JUDGEMENATL! It is not right to act that way.
❀ haleybug
whitebuffalo (guest)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-12)
no Myspace or the equivalent of either. I could set that up, but the only thing that might prove is that I know how to read directions. Words there might be in question too. I do not understand what went on here, but, there is no reason for me to lie here. I have nothing to gain from it. Or is there something else I'm missing?
haleybug (10 stories) (89 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-11)
ok here's a soultion to the problem whitebuffalo do you have a myspace or something to that effect? If you do give it to abby so she can see for her self who you really are. If anyone questined me I would give them all they need to prove them wrong. And please don't go just beause one person choses to act like that.
❀ haleybug
whitebuffalo (guest)
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14 years ago (2007-11-11)
Abby; yes, I have told the truth. In your search of the Detroit Riots surly you also found out that there were what can only be described as Branch out riots. They happened for five to seven years after the highly publicised National Guard assisted riots. Just as in Iraq and Iran, the problems there began in 1990, but did not become a sensation until 1991-1992. According to all news accounts those ended a few years later, but ANYONE who knows anyone that is still in the service, or who has been paying attention to the news, knows it never ended after those few years to once again flair up ten years later. They never ended as the riots did NOT end in 1967. In addition, when large upheaval resurfaces in that area it is sometimes still linked to the Riots. As for Eagle Harbour/River, there was only the one small hotel (combined resturant in front where you check in) on the lake that had a sidewalk/peer that if you stood at the end of it and looked out to the left was the lighthouse. On the right was a majestic mountain that you could drive up on a road called "Mountain Road" or something to that affect. These things all "wrapped around" the lake, so go ahead and check that out. I'm not sure what you can find out there. The owners may have changed hands, the name may have been different, my parents recall the name I have provided in that story, or something rather close. Down the main road heading left, if you face the road, is a very small white country church. At the end of the road on the right is a small grocery. When you reach that, turn to the right and follow the cobblestones to the lighthouse. I think there is a large expensive hotel there, I do not recall. Please, research. I am free of all guilt. Thank you for this opportunity.
Abby (710 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-11)
11-11-2007

Dear whitebuffallo,

I will end this right now. Since this is between us, and not the others, as I am seen here as a bully and other labels, I come to you face to face again upon your page and ask you point blank if you have told the truth of who you are and in your stories? Outside of your name it matters not to me, it is the truth in your gender, age mentioned in your stories and comments, and especially, the truth in your stories. I just ask that you tell the truth and answer honestly yes or no. Have you told the truth? Yes or No. This is all that I wish to know, and I will not hold either answer against you as I value and admire all truth and all those who speak it, even if they have made an error and wish to correct it. Yes or No? Please honor me with an answer and we can close this.

Thank you, Abby
Abby (710 posts)
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14 years ago (2007-11-11)
11-11-2007

Dear Readers,

"When you forearm somebody who tells untruths they will use your evidence and words against you in order to cover their own tracks of untruths". Abby

Since most here will not do the work or research to re-read whitebuffalo's stories and comments and would choose to condemn me first, even those who I thought supported and had belief in me, I have taken it upon myself to provide some of my own research as of today. Thus, I will begin with this as starters and as follows, all according to wb's own words and posts here on this site:

whitebufflo 30 years old when pregnant with son, who is currently 4 years old. 30 + 4 = 34, give or take, 35 maybe, 36 years old.
Born in the year 1971 (36) or 1972 (35). I would say this would be mid-30's.

wb quote: "With us being in our late thirties and early forties".

Fact: Detroit Riots began on July 23, 1967. WB was not even born then, she could not have been in any basement anywhere (1971 or 1972).

I wonder what more information, the locals of Eagle Harbor, Michigan can provide?

All the elements in WB's stories come from stories and comments made on this site.

Is this not the type of work for a ghost detective, hunter and buster? Is this not what a sensitive senses and does? Is it not what they do?

Athena: If you are going to speak behind someone's back, then tell the full story, all sides. And, Yes, you may call me and label me a "bully" if you wish, but
I stand by my word nor do I speak bull like many here have. If you have met WB in person and have in your possession material proof that I am wrong, then I will be the first to apologize for all of this. Until then, I stand by my message, my truth and my word that I have stated here.

To all others, do the work and do the research. Come from your gut and your own truth. Then, stand in it and stand by those you believe in. Get the facts Jack! :)

Blessings, Abby ❀
Annie (202 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-11)
Well, this is a very strange turn of events. I'm not quite sure of what is going on. I've always valued Abby's word, but I'm finding it hard to understand why she's discrediting whitebuffalo. I've always read, with great interest, whitebuffalo's stories. And, I hope to keep on reading them in the future. I did go back, as Abby suggested, and re-read all of her other stories. I personally don't understand where this is coming from. Abby, IF you do have some concrete proof that wb is not who she says she is, why not post it here? Why leave cryptic messages? Tell us all what you think. As for myself, I have no reason to doubt her. She seems very honest and forthright. I find her to be mostly looking for answers to her on going problems. I sincerely hope I haven't offended anyone here. That is not my intention. I just want to understand what is going on.
whitebuffalo (guest)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-10)
Thank you Athena, (and everyone else too) for your support. I do have to say, though, that this is exactly why I contacted you before even submitting my first story with questions. I have always been told that all the craziness that we go through is our imagination or that it could not possibly happen. I respect the fact that she is a senior poster and I am extremely sorry that it was my story, comments, or even myself that has caused her to decide not to be here. I do not know why she feels that way, but sadly, I am used to people not believing me. Maybe my stories aren't about ghosts. I don't know, but they are unexplained and some a bit odd. I did not think I was doing anything wrong, and I was totally floored by the accusation as we had never even spoken. This whole site is all about different views. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, she made hers abundantly clear. I just hope that doesn't turn people away, as that was not my intent.
Athena (9 stories) (222 posts)
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14 years ago (2007-11-10)
White buffalo, please don't second guess yourself. I hope you stay on this site and feel the support of the majority. You are so trusting and good to have let us in to your experiences. Look how new you are (4 stories to 15 posts)! The conflict here is Not an example of things to come. I believe that Abby bullied you the same way she bullied me when I first began. I was new to the site and was commenting on a story. I put my heart and soul into comments for people, and as fate would have it I posted a comment and Abby posted at almost the SAME time. To make matters more confusing Abby had chosen the guest name 'Athena'. It must have been a coincidence, Abby using my name and us posting at the same time. Because our posts went up within a second of eachother, much to close for her and I to have 'cross polenated'. Abby attacked me on the bases of this coincidence, choosing to make me into the bad guy; in Abby's comment she pretty much called me dark and evil. You can imagine I was blown away! There is no way we could have fed off each others comments and name. Anyway, I became nervous of submitting or posting again, I was scared of Abby. I was so new and had already gotten labeled evil by an established poster. I was trying to figure out what I did wrong. Why she attacked me etc. Then it hit me, I loved this site, I felt at home here and if I made friends that would be fine, but I was going to stay and do my thing even if all the established posters on the site ripped me a new one. I had done nothing wrong and neither have you! Abby has over estimated her psychic ability and that is all. There is nothing you did that warranted the attack! For what it is worth, I believe you, and I have been where you are!
essiej (guest)
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14 years ago (2007-11-10)
hello whitebuffalo 😁,
i am new but strongly disapprove with abby. How would she know who or what you are unless she has met you. This was how drama was started in highschool. Now we are adults why do we need the he said she said conflicts? I love all your stories keep them comming! ❀
whitebuffalo (guest)
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14 years ago (2007-11-10)
I, too, have been reading and rereading my words on this site. I even started out a few comments saying that I do not know for certain, but these are my thoughts (not in so many words, but the gist of it was there). I have a long life of just listening to others, and some of the explanations made sense to me so I adapted them to my life and situations. I seem to have more questions than answers, so my advice comes slowly as I was ALWAYS taught that there was no such thing as unexplained occurrences. THAT is why I am here. That is also why my stories end with questions. I am not trying to prove to a bunch of strangers that these things occurred. I accept that things happen and sometimes we can not know the answers to all. I just thought that this would be the place for feedback that might give me more answers as my search has only brought more questions thus far. I understand the skepticism and I chose not to fight over who I am in "real life" as opposed to "Internet life" as I am the same person. I invite you all into my living room every time you read one of my posts. How much more intimate of a relationship can we all have in this wide expanse of Internet space that is now available to us?
Bellissima (12 stories) (792 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-10)
hi whitebuffalo! You've certainly caused a stir here! I don't understand exactly what happened here, but I too enjoy your stories and hope you keep submitting. I haven't read anything questionable in your stories either. Abby, what's wrong? Why are you leaving us? You're opinions are valued here. Is it possible that someone with a mean streak has posed as Abby? I'm bewildered.
mustang (5 stories) (749 posts)
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14 years ago (2007-11-10)
Dear Whitebuffalo, I feel so bad that you were attacked like that. I want you to know that I, in no way, feel the same as Abby! I don't know what the reasoning is behind the attack on you or why she thinks you're this other person and a young male, I think she called 'Justin'. That's what got my curiosity going a little and I did go back and re-read your stories and I didn't see anything different then when I read the stories the first time. This is all a little upsetting to me because I really believe you and like you and your stories and I would be totally disappointed if this was all a lie! Abby is one of my favorite posters and she really seems sure about your identity. By the way, the proof of the stretch marks was funny and very real! That's why I know for sure that you are who you say you are because I don't think a youg, immature male would have thought about that or say it with such conviction! I love your stories! Keep them coming! Please don't go away after this incident. I hope that Abby doesn't leave this site either but from what it sounds like she is because she said we wouldn't be seeing her 1000th post. This is just crazy! Why do we need to hurt people's feeling unnecessarily? Anyway, I hope this all decipates and goes back to normal and we don't lose people over hateful words. Hope to hear from you soon. 😊CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? πŸ˜†-Shelby ❀
whitebuffalo (guest)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-10)
My apologies to those on this sight that I may have offended by my thoughts (the comments) or past experiances (the stories). I have no idea what I may have said or done to enrage anyone as I have tried to be as honest and straight forward as possible and to recall these instances as well as possible. My intention is not to "hoodwink" anyone, only to understand what it is that has been happening in my life since a young age. I have kept most of this a secret for this same reason, the general public does look down on people who have such experiances. I observed here for a very long time before even attempting to post anything as I have been to sites before that the main theme was not what the site was about, and I thought this place was different and supportive. Abby, I do not know you, I have no idea where your comment came from or why. I will not try to defend myself to you as you appear to have already made up your mind as to the validity of all my words. I do not pretend to be what I am not, as I do not expect others to do the same. I will, however defend my childrens lives. I DO have a 15 year old girl and a four year old boy that I have birthed and I still have the stretch marks as proof.
Abby (710 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-10)
Dear Athena,

11-09-2007

No, I am not wrong about Autumn/whitebuffalo nor am I wrong about who you truly are. As for being smarter than you, no if I were smart I would have taken the road most traveled and kept my mouth shut and gone along with the status quo. Yes, the warpath, if that is how you view it. I view it as a strong passion for the truth. As for ghost hunters, what good are they if they do not release the trapped dead human beings? Ah yes, there is money and fame to be made at the expense of trapped dead human beings, our loved ones, men, women and children. Sorry, that was the warpath talking.

All I can say is that readers please re-read all of whitebuffalo's stories and comments. There lies the truth in what I felt in my gut from the first read.

Athena, despite our differences I wish you well on your journey.

Please do not bother to reply, as this is my last post here on this site.

My Love to All, Martin and to Shane my Heart (I know the real you, but I still Love you very much. Thank you for blessing my life here. I will not be around to make that 1000th post, but think of me when you make your 2,000th post.)

Blessings, Abby--Athena ❀

P.S. I dated my post to whitebuffalo as 11-16-2007 a week from today, because a week from now the comment will still be the truth. Justin'
Athena (9 stories) (222 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-10)
Thanks Martin for your attachment, you do good work. Ok, when I first got to Thailand it was pitch black in Bangkok. In the morning we were leaving the hotel just as we entered an alley I said "O my God!" There before me was a Swastika. Preposterous and horrifying ideas tried to make sense of what I was seeing. Thai skin-heads-what! My Hindu boyfriend, quite educated if I do brag so myself, said that this was a "right facing Swastika" and is Sanskrit for 'well-being'. Yes, in those pictures of the NAB it is a right facing Swastika.
Athena (9 stories) (222 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-10)
BTW, Whitebuffalo thank you for emailing me early on, I treasured that interaction I had with you. I support you, and know that these experiences are hard for you. There is a whole world of people who will not listen to something they don't understand. Luckily, you are here now, where the majority wants to try to listen and understand. ❀ When did you start having experiences? Sounds like you were pretty young. Also, sounds like this sensitivity runs in the family, hmmm.
Athena (9 stories) (222 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-10)
Abby, you are I'm sure much smarter than I am, but it seems like you go on the warpath from time to time. Not long ago you were accusing me of something similar to what you are accusing Whitebuffolo of. In fact, the same thing. And you were wrong ok. So it is possible. Now, comments on the story.
Martin (601 posts) mod
 
14 years ago (2007-11-10)
Whoa, this is turning more dramatic than I imagined, so I am not allowed to disagree with people anymore? I'm just voicing my opinion, in good fun, I didn't mean to insult you Abby. But with extraordinary claims, you need extraordinary proofs (or in this case, at least clues). I just see none that would suggest whitebuffalo isn't what she says, and I'm not sure what the purpose of such an elaborate hoax would be (but who knows). I think if someone was pulling our strings, it would be a tad more extravagant than this. I guess I'll wait until whitebuffalo answers herself.
Abby (710 posts)
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14 years ago (2007-11-10)
Dear Autumn, White Buffalo or whoever you choose to be, Martin and other Readers (11-16-2007),

It is up to Autumn, White Buffalo and whoever he chooses to be to step up to the plate of truth.

Martin, I am disappointed that you have so little faith in me, then to quickly find it within yourself to tell me that I have missed the mark and to add insult to injury, you have also stated that my statement was basically made because I have indigestion. Thank you, my friend, for showing me another part of
who you are.

For the record, I did not miss the mark nor do I have indigestion.

I am a sensitive and I am telling the truth here.

I stand by what I have stated, and I will stake my own life on this message that belongs to Autumn, White Buffalo and whoever he chooses to be.

Though many will not know the truth when it hits them between the eyes, and many may think that this is my ego speaking, I will stake my life on this message to be true. Autumn, White Buffalo or whoever he chooses to be is false and his stories are false.

You all wish to be apart of the paranormal, science and of truth, but when it is presented, many of you quickly dismiss it and you kill the messegner in the bargain. It is no wonder we are so easily taken in, as we wouldn't know the truth if it hit us square between the eyes or third eye.

May you all have an enjoyable week-end. Adieu.

In truth, I stand by my message, Abby❀
Martin (601 posts) mod
 
14 years ago (2007-11-10)
Abby, I am also a little perplexed by your reaction, whitebuffalo seems like a genuine person sharing her personal stories, of all people, she's one of the last I would imagine playing a character of some sort. I think you're off the mark on this one. Did you just have an indigestion? πŸ˜‰
mustang (5 stories) (749 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-10)
Excuse me Whitebuffalo. Abby, what just happened here? Whitebuffalo a young male? Telling untrue stories? Not who she says she is? Is there something I'm missing? Please tell me! -Shelby πŸ˜•
Abby (710 posts)
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14 years ago (2007-11-09)
Dear Autumn, White Buffalo or whoever you choose to be,

I have read your stories, and though there are many here who tell true and untrue stories, I "sense greatly" your stories are not true. As well, as your story about your so-called four year old son, this story is not a "ghost story" in the least, though it does have many shades of pale face untruths. I say with conviction that you are unable to have a child because you are not equipped to do so as you are male, young, immature and fantasized yourself a ghost hunter and ghost story teller. Not to mention you are not who you say you are. You may have those here hoodwinked, but you do not have me hoodwinked. I live my truth, please learn to know what your truth is and go live it on a better level, as I know you are capable of much better than what you have presented here. You are best in the arts and written word. I shall not bother you again here, as I have delivered to you the message you were meant to receive. --Abby
whitebuffalo (guest)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-09)
I read the attachments that Martin so thoughtfully added to this (Thank you, Martin) and it seems odd to me that it was a "mistake" that the enlisted men's barracks were built in this shape, and yet so many of them heard and saw things that would contradict what those articles suggested. However, many of the locals that will talk about it and were around at that time share a different story... Do poltergeist only surround teens? Or could the energies of all those women in a panic have caused the same effect? I guess I do not know enough about them, and that causes more questions yet. Thanks for reading my story.
ChrisB (6 stories) (1515 posts)
 
14 years ago (2007-11-09)
Nice story White buffalo. I think it was a poltergeist or something like that. I live in Poland and there are some places haunted buy nazis to. Well at least I heard of 2 places 😁.I hope to hear from you soon and take care

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